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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of the food July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Force has announced been applying their

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- found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy church on the game-changer Radio

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Network and a GRA the Global Radio

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we need your help to get to the year

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1985

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you're listening to painted black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing network

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good evening fade to black

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misspoke radio for the masses yeah man

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what I'm talking about

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today's Tuesday April 17 2018 107 days

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into the new year just 258 days left

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we're live from a bunker somewhere in

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beautiful downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south

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far and near this is fade to black for

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KJ Sierra the game changer networked in

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kg power a the planet Timmy Church what

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all right tonight's

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grown old school

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gone old school old school UFO tonight

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Jason Gleaves is here to talk about his

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new book UFO photos computer analysis

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it's a longer title than that but that's

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all you need to know I've got the book

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I've had it for about a month

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got it when it first came out it's an

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amazing but went through it again today

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I mean I wouldn't read a book twice in a

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month in a long time did that with

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Jason's you got to get this book it's uh

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it's one of those it's a reference book

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that everybody should have in if you're

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you follow just yeah got to have it

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tomorrow night Jason quit is here I'm

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gonna talk about the code and I want to

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believe that will be tomorrow I you know

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what can you get

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does anybody know can you get the I want

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to believe posters can can you get that

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hold on for a second I'm gonna Google

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that right now I want to be leave poster

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wow it just pops right up there it is

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2995

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13:39 there you go so you can get it all

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right I got to get me one of these I

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want to believe posters I can get it

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framed and ready to go I want one of

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these posters there's a flyer is a

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vintage one huh really

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interesting that's the ah all kinds of

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different you can have a whole

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collection all right

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so that'll be tomorrow night I want to

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believe with Jason quit Thursday night's

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another Fator night with John Robb

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before it and his no more fake newsroom

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live followed by open lines all night

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long and Twitter is at J church radio

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you can follow us on Twitter and watch

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I want to believe posters now are

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flooding in

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I think think Rita is ordering me one as

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many guitars are hanging in here now and

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see in the studio but if you look behind

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me you see how the guitars are well that

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black square that's a thick that's

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acoustic tile right that lines the walls

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so there's you know I don't know like

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ten of those and each one has got

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so I don't have any wall space you know

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that it just it doesn't exist I don't

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know where I would put the I want to

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believe poster and if I put it behind me

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now we've got the area 51 road sign

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bleep it would that be just too cliche

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to have that I want to believe poster

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right behind me can't do that and I

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can't do that because I have stuff here

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anyway I've got that over there and the

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acoustic treatment in the back yeah Wow

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I don't know what I would do ah man do I

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take down a Stratocaster to hang up the

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I want to believe poster oh man okay

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that's tough that's a decision right

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there okay so that's what's going on

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this week follow us on twitter at JT

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which is with just about ready by the

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way I'm stellar but you can follow us

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and whatever over on Facebook and

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our channel over there everything is

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fade to black you know what to do and

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you can click on those buttons over at

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Jimmy Church radio.com any questions or

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comments during the show tonight hashtag

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if 2bq but if you want to hang out in

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the sandbox and look at pictures

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me in water that's an interesting shot

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and I still don't know where who where

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that picture came from I don't know I

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like it though I mean I like it there's

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a pool it looks it's not our backyard I

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from but it's a good one though

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and it looks like a selfie or did

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somebody take us my superimposed did

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somebody do a Photoshop - interesting

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picture all right I do like it you can

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email throughout the show Jimmy at Jimmy

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Church radio calm we got some breaking

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CIA director Mike Pompeo met with Kim

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fatty fat in North Korea over Easter

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weekend that's right and according to

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leaked documents they ate marshmallow

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bunnies seriously they really did but

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that's breaking news is is this North

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South Korea thing fine

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finally going to come to an end it's big

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news it's a really big news well would

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it happen without Trump and that would

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be something even more interesting

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wouldn't it it spawned or that one for a

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second hmm okay I was really looking

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forward to that but may not happen I

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said that it wouldn't I said that it

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might not happen it was too good it's

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too big too big I mean it was just well

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I mean that's even in Trump's world

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right that's even too big I just

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mentioned on stellar and I'm gonna have

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an update here in the next couple of

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days some some big news but what you

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need to do and this is serious is you

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need to go and register for on stellar

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now go to on stellar com ons te ll AR

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spread stir with your email it's simple

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you don't have to do anything

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you know get your password verify

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through email come back get your

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username get a promo code for yourself

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just use your first name you know Bobby

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Janet whatever and and and and get

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promoting you're gonna want to do that

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because first off what is most important

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here this is the next great social media

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platform it's going to be talked about

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just like Facebook and Twitter it's

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gonna be that big it's gonna be that

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cool alright so you need to go and do it

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now the platform is ready for alpha and

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beta testing which is getting ready to

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kick off and you want to be part of that

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and when you go I can assure you who was

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I talking to today talking to I can't

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remember I would say his name if I could

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I would say it it was anyway and I said

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look man it is bleeping amazing I went I

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danced I saw I tasted and it is

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everything that you need and it all

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works it's just like incredible and what

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it looks like and we've got some really

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cool little nifty little tricks to that

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little features that are completely

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original original you're gonna love it

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on stellar dot-com promo code Jimmy and

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a go and do it now so you're ready and

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and good to go when the platform makes

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its official launch they were saying

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quarter four I was telling you quarter

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three and it may even nudge up a month

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before that I mean they are ready to go

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so so go and register now on stellar

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dot-com and again it incorporates all of

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the best things everything that you need

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and want and expect out of a social

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media platform you've got it here

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everything everything and it's and it's

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geared towards us based on the blood

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chain it's incredible absolutely

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incredible to look the feel the

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functionality the UI the UX is just

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incredible incredible it's absolutely

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incredible this is not some hodgepodge

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thing this is as cool as anything else

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that is currently out there on any level

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it's that great

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I'm stellar calm ons te ll a are dot-com

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promo code Jimmy our next event it's

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coming up I'm talking to sonia grace

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today and here we are

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it's a April 17th so that's it we are

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less than six weeks away from contact in

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the desert contact in the desert calm

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June 1st through the four 2018 in Indian

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Wells Palm Springs at the Renaissance

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Resort and Spa now I was told I was told

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are you ready

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they're gonna have hot air balloons

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they're for frigging skywatching

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wouldn't I wouldn't do the hot air

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balloon and I know it's like you know

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they're cute and harmless and you know

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it's but you know I don't know maybe I

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we should have a little contest whoo

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what fate or not would want to climb in

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a balloon with me and go up in sky watch

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optics would you guys want to do that

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no no John it would not why would it why

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would it it's taking me closer to the

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stars no I don't think it would

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interfere with it now only if the if the

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flames are on and you're pointing the

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night vision towards the flames and I

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wouldn't I wouldn't do that but who

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would do that who would get who would

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climb in a hot air balloon with me and

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go up and do night vision and he and you

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know what from the ground everybody

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could hear us because I'd be up there

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going dude they would hear us from the

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skies we go up there and look at the

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flat earth - all right don't forget

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about our sole tech gather who's coming

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up right after that in August August 9th

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through the 12th Sol Tech gathering calm

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we're only selling 300 tickets for this

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event it's gonna sell out so go and get

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your tickets now make your arrangements

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ESET e Ranch August 9th through the 12th

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it's going to be the greatest fade or

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not weekend ever soul tech gathering

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you're gonna have to wait til tomorrow I

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have I left him in the car I have the

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the fade to black the new fade to black

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t-shirt I was gonna hold them up to the

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to the bunker camp tonight it's my bad

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I'll see if I can get somebody to go up

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there and grab them and bring them down

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okay

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I dream down to the bank ah yeah they're

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cool too they're really nice you're

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gonna dig it so go over become a fade or

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not if you are renewing your game

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changer right if you're renewing your

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reaping your game changer accounts

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you're gonna get the new fade to black

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t-shirt you

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yeah yeah they're really cool and we

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have the new fade to black hats

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fade to black hats now say have the

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Jimmy Church radio on the back which we

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didn't have they were only one side to

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be forced and now they're front and back

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and they look really cool so those are

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new and we have the new t-shirts so go

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get your game-changer today I'll

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autograph both of them for you and there

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you go okay and you also get the bunker

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can emailed to me do that over in our

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membership section on the site let's say

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let's get to it let's get this show

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crackin happy birthday to today tool

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frontman Maynard James Keenan is 54 and

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I gotta say those first videos of tool

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with the skeletons right the stop-action

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skeletons some of the coolest videos

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ever in the history of music right there

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yep Sean Bean today is 59 and sure

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you're thinking of Game of Thrones no

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I'm not we're not think of Sean Bean I

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don't think of that

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no I go Silent Hill have you seen Silent

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Hill - what's it called resurrection I

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haven't seen again I didn't even know it

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was I gotta see it alright

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where am I at our dead guy's birthday

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today Rowdy Roddy Piper 1954 - 2015 died

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at the age of 61 star of one of the

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greatest documentaries in film and it

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was called they live can anyone name a

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movie or TV show that Sean Bean survives

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yeah

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Silent Hill it's his wife in daughter

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that don't make it through that one well

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they do kind of man Silent Hill missed

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that video game our dead guys birthday

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Roddy Piper and the film they live which

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is still one of the great alien et films

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of all

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it is truly a documentary just an

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amazing film and I'm here to kick ass

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and chew bubblegum right just an

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incredible film on July 31st 2015

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Piper died in his sleep of a heart

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attack at the age of 61 right here in

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Hollywood California at his home on this

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day in history OTD Apollo 13 after

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suffering a severe malfunction on his

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journey to the moon safely returns to

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Earth Fader fact only one home in the

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United States receives more visitors per

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year than Elvis Presley's Graceland and

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that is the White House but he survives

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in the Martian Sean Bean was in the

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Martian no he wasn't in the Martian was

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he well Sean Bean and the Martian I

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tonight Jason Gleaves is here live from

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the UK we're gonna talk about his

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amazing new book and it's called UFO

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photos computer analysis and the book

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which I have here the book is I'm gonna

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talk to Jason about this

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it's called UFO photos computer analysis

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of worldwide UFO images through the

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decades that's the official title of the

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book this needs to be in everybody's

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collection and as you hear us go through

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everything tonight and and speaking

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about this you're gonna know that you're

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gonna you've got to have this book it's

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a reference book not only of the

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analysis but of historic photos and some

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of them I had never seen before and

363
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there's a couple of cases in here that I

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wasn't totally familiar with and he

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breaks it down we're gonna do all of

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that tonight

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old-school UFO with Jason Gleaves live

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from the UK tomorrow night Jason quit is

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here Thursday night fader nights with

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John

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a port followed by open lines all night

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long now oh man somebody sent me an

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email the other day said hey Church you

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sound like a shock jock that plays loud

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rock and roll music and you're doing

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shows that are so interesting and

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important and they don't go together man

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you need to you need to be more serious

379
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slide well I guess I'm gonna be a lot

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more unserious cuz that's just me that's

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my personality and that's my voice and

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it's just kind of weird you know that

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somebody would take the time to send

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that email and if they're listening

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right now they listen to the replay or

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whatever they're gonna know exactly who

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they are have you seen the movie Gattaca

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now the reason there's lots of reasons

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why I love the movie Gattaca I've seen

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it many many many times first off

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stories great stories great I love that

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but and everybody is is good in the

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movie too as well but what was

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fascinating for me was when Ethan Hawke

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would go out and watch the Rockets take

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off and he was fascinated with that

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right from his childhood you don't need

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to watch the Rockets take off every

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night you just want to go out and dream

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and want to be an astronaut look at the

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Rockets take off and that's me I can't

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get enough of that I have never seen a

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rocket take off in person I've seen them

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take off because I live here in the

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valley and I've seen stuff take off all

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the time from the coast see weird stuff

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and there it is and you look up and it's

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a rocket you know missile rocket

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whatever and but I've never been to Cape

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Canaveral I've never been out to

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Vandenberg I've never been you know just

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you know spot on and watched something

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take off I would love to do it someday

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but thinking about that because I last

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night tests the new telescope that we're

416
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going to be launching here it was

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delayed yesterday is delayed today

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they're gonna do it tomorrow so I I

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thought to myself you know we

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here about how often do we fire up

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rockets in space today in the 60s it was

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any vent it was an event if I'm not

423
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talking about white sands I'm not

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talking about missile testing and

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talking about a rocket taking off into

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space payload you know like the real

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deal and how often does that occur and I

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was shocked shocked listen to this this

429
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is our schedule over the next couple of

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months this is how many Rockets are

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taking off from Planet Earth

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tomorrow SpaceX Falcon 9 will be

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launched from NASA's transiting

434
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exoplanet survey satellite the tests

435
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from Cape Canaveral in Florida that's

436
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tomorrow also tomorrow a Russian Proton

437
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rocket will launch the flag of s number

438
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12 L communications satellite it's gonna

439
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go from Russia next week April 25th a

440
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year old cat rocket vehicle will launch

441
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the sentinel 3 b earth observation

442
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satellite from the European Space Agency

443
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and the european commission from the

444
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pleasantest cosmodrome in russia also

445
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the same day April 25th a rocket lab

446
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electron rocket will launch its third

447
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flight titled it's business time from

448
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the Mejia Peninsula on New Zealand's

449
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North Island May 2nd SpaceX Dragon cargo

450
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spacecraft CRS 14 will depart the

451
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International Space Station and come

452
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back to earth May 4th a SpaceX Falcon 9

453
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rocket will lift off from Cape Canaveral

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Florida to launch the Bangabandhu one

455
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communication satellite for India May

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00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:05,610
5th a United Launch Alliance Atlas 5

457
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rocket will launch NASA's insight Mars

458
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Lander from Vandenberg Air Force Base

459
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right here in California the next day

460
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may 6th a Chinese Long March 3b rock

461
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we'll launch the app star-6 sees

462
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commercial communication satellite from

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Jang China may 19th NASA will launch its

464
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grace fo more on that in a second follow

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on mission to track Earth's gravity and

466
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water movement it is scheduled to launch

467
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from Vandenberg Air Force Base right

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here in California as part of the

469
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Iridium next 5155 commercial satellite

470
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launch on a SpaceX Falcon 9 2 launches

471
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same day and do you remember the fake

472
00:24:56,299 --> 00:24:54,510
UFO video that somebody sent me and said

473
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that it was a real UFO and it was those

474
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two rectangular things turned out to be

475
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animation and it wasn't a real video and

476
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:03,029
it fooled everybody fooled us and the

477
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NASA contacted us and said hey it's

478
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animation and wasn't real well anyway

479
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that was the grace yeah so this is a

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this is the grace follow-on mission I

481
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won't be posting any animation videos

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for that then the next date May 20th an

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orbital ATK Antares rocket will launch a

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Cygnus cargo spacecraft Oh a 9 to the

485
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International Space Station from Wallops

486
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Island Virginia May 25th five days later

487
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SpaceX Falcon 9 will launch the SES 12

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communication satellite from Cape

489
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,779
Canaveral Florida May 26 the Chinese

490
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long march 4 sea rocket will launch a

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relay satellite toward the earth-moon l2

492
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Lagrange point to enable communications

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between earth and chains for lunar

494
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lander and rover on the far side of the

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Moon June 1st

496
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Japan's Hayabusa 2 spacecraft will reach

497
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the asteroid Raghu where it will attempt

498
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to collect a sample and return it to

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earth in 2020 it's all big stuff right

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June 6 of the Russian Soyuz rocket will

501
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launch a crewed soyuz spacecraft to the

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International Space Station

503
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June 13th of SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket

504
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will launch the US Air Force's space

505
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test program to mission with a cluster

506
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of military research satellites mmm

507
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June 13th same-day an air launched

508
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orbital ATK Pegasus XL rocket will send

509
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NASA's ionosphere connection Explorer

510
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into satellite orbit June 28th of SpaceX

511
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Falcon 9 will launch the dragon cargo

512
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spacecraft up to Isis the ISS and I say

513
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I says the ISS also with June without

514
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:00,600
specific dates we have this SpaceX

515
00:27:04,910 --> 00:27:03,210
Falcon 9 will launch the Telstar 19v

516
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:04,920
communication satellite from Cape

517
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:07,950
Canaveral India's geosynchronous

518
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:10,980
satellite launch vehicle the MK dot 3

519
00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:14,400
will launch the GC at 29 communicate

520
00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:18,140
communication satellite from India then

521
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,060
Chinese long march 3 a rocket will

522
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,760
launch the thing in 2 h geostationary

523
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:26,340
weather satellite from shang china and

524
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,430
then right after that chinese long march

525
00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:32,480
to see rocket will launch the pakistan

526
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:36,300
remote sensing satellite the p RS s 1

527
00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:43,350
from Taiwan Japan or China so I was fat

528
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if use it and this is what I could

529
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,380
gather this doesn't include top-secret

530
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:51,360
military launches that there is no

531
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:55,200
information on there are some other

532
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:58,980
dates without specific cargo there are

533
00:28:04,090 --> 00:28:01,980
there are Rockets without dates and so

534
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:04,100
forth but this is what I could find and

535
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:10,140
so over the next two months nearly every

536
00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:13,530
other day from April 18th all the way to

537
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:16,950
the end of June right so just about two

538
00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:21,000
months just over two months every other

539
00:28:28,150 --> 00:28:24,270
day you've got a rocket launch and it

540
00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:28,160
reminds me of Gattaca think about that

541
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it's crazy and it's all over - it's just

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I Cape Canaveral its Virginia it's the

543
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Marshall Islands you know China Russia

544
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it's it's everywhere yeah Vandenberg

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California incredible the movie Gattaca

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it's

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out of here and come back with our guest

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tonight Jason Gleaves live from the UK

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I'm gonna talk about his new book and

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it's a great one it's one that you need

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I'll be right back with our guest Jason

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mean is this tea you buy in a store well

582
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no it's not I've changed teas just that

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584
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herbal tea that gently cleanses your

585
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body from intruders what do you mean by

586
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:29,950
intruders well intruders are toxins

587
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chemicals GMOs heavy metals and more

588
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they're on our food in our water in our

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air we breathe seriously yeah seriously

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removing these as you say intruders yes

592
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right Chris are there side effects with

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this tea

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well you might lose a little weight when

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you clean your colon you lose weight you

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feel better and you have more energy Wow

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Ronnie where can people purchase life

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change tea oh that's easy

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a calm Ronnie I want to thank you for

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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what opens comments and we're listening

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the Shamy church radio

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[Music]

620
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:22,230
all right welcome back paint the block I

621
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:23,710
mean Oh super Church follow me on

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Twitter at JDO simple come and hang out

623
00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:31,029
the chat rooms are open Twitter is live

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right in front of me at J Church radio

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox tomorrow

626
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:37,629
night

627
00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:40,690
it's Jason quit we're here in the talked

628
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,860
about the code and I want to believe and

629
00:33:50,669 --> 00:33:46,799
on heaven I want to believe poster yet

630
00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:50,679
should have one in here I how can I do a

631
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:52,419
show I want to believe without that

632
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:55,570
poster but nonetheless Thursday nights

633
00:34:00,869 --> 00:33:58,330
Fator night Jon Rappoport in his no more

634
00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:00,879
fake newsroom live tonight it's Jason

635
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:04,120
Gleaves live from the UK he joined the

636
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,750
Royal Air Force in 1986 at 17 years of

637
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:09,760
age and completed his basic training at

638
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:13,929
RAF Fairford home of the SAS he was

639
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:16,510
stationed at RAF st. happens RAF Cosford

640
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:19,780
area of Huntington Strike Command and

641
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:24,730
Valle konig's B Mar Ham Brize Norton and

642
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:27,129
seal and until 1997

643
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:29,800
his new book UFO photos computer

644
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,990
analysis of worldwide UFO images through

645
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:34,240
the decades covers historical photos

646
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,190
using up-to-date processing techniques

647
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:38,079
of unidentified flying objects and

648
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,690
anomalies through the decades taken from

649
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:42,399
around the world revisiting some of the

650
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:44,950
well-known and documented UFO cases from

651
00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:47,169
the past to more recent times tonight

652
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:48,849
we're gonna discuss his new book in his

653
00:34:54,839 --> 00:34:51,310
own personal UFO account at RAF Cosford

654
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:54,849
Air Force Base during 1993 and the

655
00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:56,770
important connection and aftermath

656
00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:00,670
regarding the UK Ministry of Defence UFO

657
00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:02,319
project and I would like to welcome for

658
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:03,640
the first time to fade to black

659
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,190
Jason Cleaves live from the UK Jason

660
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:09,520
good morning hi Jimmy are you oh yeah

661
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:11,740
are you up is the head clear are you

662
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:16,240
good I am on the right now you know

663
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:19,900
thank you for for you know doing this

664
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,300
for us whenever we have guests from

665
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:23,680
around the world it doesn't matter where

666
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:24,130
they're at

667
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,430
we're here in in Burbank California and

668
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:29,920
the time zones they just mess things up

669
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,820
but we're a live show with the big

670
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:33,680
and some you know we don't tape

671
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:36,380
interviews and and it's always one of

672
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:38,780
those things but just thank you it's an

673
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:42,440
important book this show just strives

674
00:35:49,090 --> 00:35:44,690
our knowledge and we want to thank you

675
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:49,100
for that in advance that's great it's

676
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:52,670
it's early in the morning here but yeah

677
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:55,010
it's glad to be invited to invite it on

678
00:35:59,710 --> 00:35:57,710
the show and discuss the book well we

679
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,720
have one thing we've got to get out of

680
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,280
the way I know you listen to fade to

681
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,960
black so you know that you're about to

682
00:36:08,050 --> 00:36:04,640
get the first-time guest

683
00:36:10,540 --> 00:36:08,060
disclaimer so let's get that out of the

684
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:10,550
way which is Jason it's just you and I

685
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:12,680
sitting on my couch talking as friends

686
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:14,630
and where the conversation starts it

687
00:36:18,430 --> 00:36:16,370
starts where it ends it ends but we're

688
00:36:23,710 --> 00:36:18,440
gonna end as friends you ready to go I

689
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:23,720
am I am now I am interested okay first

690
00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:26,350
off I highly recommend the book to

691
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:30,020
everybody the links on where to get the

692
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:31,250
book and everything they're all up at

693
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:33,320
Jimmy Church radio calm we'll talk about

694
00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:35,990
that a bit later but this is something I

695
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:37,340
think it's an important book I think

696
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:39,770
it's well researched it's well done it's

697
00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:43,670
very pragmatic I like a healthy dose of

698
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:48,440
skepticism with my ufology right and you

699
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:50,630
really approach it from from a clean

700
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:53,870
mindset and hats off to you for that

701
00:37:00,220 --> 00:36:56,030
it's just a tremendous book with a lot

702
00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:00,230
of research but that being said did your

703
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:04,280
interest in UFOs and ufology did it

704
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:08,720
start with RAF Cosford or did you have

705
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:13,250
any sightings before the 1993 event yeah

706
00:37:21,310 --> 00:37:17,120
it started way back when I was a younger

707
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:21,320
child about seven years old and saw a

708
00:37:28,990 --> 00:37:24,410
disc-shaped object with my sister in

709
00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:29,000
Liverpool I had actually forgotten about

710
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:31,550
it was my sister who reminded me of it

711
00:37:40,090 --> 00:37:34,760
later on when I started going into

712
00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:40,100
ufology and basically we were playing

713
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:43,190
upstairs as young kids and

714
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:46,290
she sort of got my attention and said

715
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,120
you see that out the window and it was a

716
00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:50,880
disc-shaped object outside the window

717
00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:53,340
and then it took off at high velocity

718
00:38:00,800 --> 00:37:56,660
and then we just carried on playing well

719
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:00,810
what year was that in what city that was

720
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:06,360
in Liverpool in the UK and it was

721
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,610
probably early 1970s right

722
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:14,480
were there any reports of that sighting

723
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:17,490
not what I know of an and and again it

724
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:19,470
was way before I knew anything about

725
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:23,970
UFOs or anything of that kind it would

726
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:25,110
have been great if you could have

727
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:27,750
grabbed a photo of that and put that in

728
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:32,970
the book oh yeah definitely yeah the

729
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:34,350
reason why I asked there are so many

730
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:38,640
sightings over that part of the UK that

731
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:42,990
that have had a lot of witnesses and and

732
00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:46,950
photographs and I don't understand what

733
00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:49,950
is going on but there has been so many

734
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:54,260
unique crafts over London over Liverpool

735
00:39:03,250 --> 00:38:58,890
and I just I don't understand why et or

736
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:03,260
whatever wants to visit that area yeah

737
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:05,580
it's just like anywhere in the world

738
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,850
really it's um I think the Earth's a bit

739
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:12,240
bit like a zoo really man they'd like to

740
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:13,950
have a look at it and see what we're up

741
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:17,010
to now let's talk about this was there

742
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:18,750
anything between that event when you

743
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:22,980
were seven in March of 1993 no not

744
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:24,110
really

745
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:26,370
obviously a couple of weird things but

746
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:30,710
not where I can really recall and then

747
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:33,660
later on more in the Air Force like he

748
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:37,350
said what happened there and yeah he

749
00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:39,030
only didn't on to that well let's talk

750
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:41,030
about that let's talk about RAF Cosford

751
00:39:47,090 --> 00:39:45,930
in the book you've got the situation

752
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:47,100
report

753
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:52,560
March 30th 31st March 1993 very cool

754
00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:54,890
that you've got this document

755
00:40:00,700 --> 00:39:56,630
and it's opposed to what happened that

756
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:00,710
day yeah it was obviously like you said

757
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:04,880
there during March 31st 30 31st of March

758
00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:09,950
1993 and it happened to RAF Cosford

759
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:13,550
which is a training camp in the Midlands

760
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,130
for the Air Force and they trained up

761
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Armorer's and different trades at the

762
00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:26,450
base and on that evening it was a friend

763
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:28,580
of mine who was working in the in the

764
00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:31,790
guard room as the oddly corporal and it

765
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:34,820
was nice and quiet that evening and then

766
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:37,960
all of a sudden on the radio there was a

767
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:42,340
it was a bait going back to the actual

768
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:46,970
the guard post it was a young trainee

769
00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:50,840
that was on the guard post and and on

770
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:53,030
the base everybody had to do their fair

771
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:56,030
share of duties and guard duty was one

772
00:41:00,520 --> 00:40:56,510
of them

773
00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:00,530
and he must have been only young 17 18

774
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:05,720
probably at a time my friend who was in

775
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:08,510
the guard room he said the radio started

776
00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:12,340
to kick in loudly and this young trainee

777
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:15,080
was shouting down the radio get the

778
00:41:20,590 --> 00:41:16,970
guard commander out here there's

779
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:20,600
something huge over the airfield it's

780
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:23,330
the size of a battleship you know and it

781
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:29,200
turned out to be a triangular black huge

782
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:32,750
object over the airfield and by this

783
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:35,540
time all the the guard patrols had

784
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:37,820
turned up and the guard commander and

785
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:42,340
everybody and saw this object which

786
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:44,900
incidentally was seen throughout the UK

787
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:48,410
that evening by on-duty police men

788
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:52,870
civilians all around the UK and it went

789
00:41:59,110 --> 00:41:56,750
obviously from RAF Cosford onto another

790
00:42:04,110 --> 00:41:59,120
Air Force Base which is not too far away

791
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:04,120
RAF Shawbury helicopter base and another

792
00:42:12,190 --> 00:42:08,270
person who had dealings with who

793
00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:12,200
was on duty air traffic control they got

794
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:15,350
a a radar lock on it and it came in over

795
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:18,230
the base there and it was firing lasers

796
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:20,870
down on the the runway there as it came

797
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:24,290
in so it was quite well documented at

798
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:27,170
the time you know and as you can see in

799
00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:30,170
the book the you know official documents

800
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:31,880
there as well that you can actually read

801
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:34,730
up and see for yourself yeah it's a very

802
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:38,630
interesting read and we'll go over that

803
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:41,630
in just a second did you witness

804
00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:44,630
anything yourself know that I was on the

805
00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:46,940
base that night but it was a use of my

806
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:51,020
good friend do's and the DoD corporal in

807
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:52,850
the guard room that night he was in

808
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,510
charge and and what how many witnesses I

809
00:42:59,560 --> 00:42:58,160
mean was everybody just tired they must

810
00:43:02,200 --> 00:42:59,570
have been right everybody was talking

811
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,210
about it what did they see not really it

812
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:04,160
wasn't really spoken about much on the

813
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:06,530
base itself and I don't think things

814
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:09,430
were spoken about much at that time

815
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:12,950
and it took me a few years really to get

816
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:15,410
anything out of anybody really speaking

817
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,040
and we saw knew it happened but it was

818
00:43:25,420 --> 00:43:21,680
all quiet and down if it should say that

819
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:25,430
and obviously Nick Pope where it was

820
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:28,190
involved the day after and Nick Pope was

821
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,950
obviously in charge of the the x-file

822
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:33,440
desk at the mo D in London Whitehall

823
00:43:40,030 --> 00:43:35,960
right and he had he had dealings with it

824
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,040
a day after so now in the book you've

825
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:44,000
got one of the satellite images of where

826
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:46,280
the guard post is and then there's the

827
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:49,490
runway out front and where the black

828
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:51,950
triangle was sighted over the runway

829
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:54,980
oddly enough and it it was quite large

830
00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:58,250
but what is interesting here it's a

831
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:00,470
clean line of sight isn't it from the

832
00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:03,410
guard post to the runway yeah yeah as

833
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:05,900
you can see in in the book anyone that

834
00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:09,010
can't see the photographs the actual

835
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:11,870
photograph is the actual photograph of

836
00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:14,210
the guard post that was the and I

837
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:17,420
thought the computer enhanced image on

838
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:20,030
just to show where the the obviously the

839
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:21,970
object was

840
00:44:27,850 --> 00:44:25,160
but you can see a plan view off the

841
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:27,860
runway and if you actually visit RAF

842
00:44:32,110 --> 00:44:29,810
Cosford you can go up to where the

843
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:32,120
actual gate was and see where the runway

844
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:35,900
how close it is so it was all really

845
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:41,960
nearby and the second map shows the

846
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:46,490
flight path of from Cosford to RAF

847
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:50,990
Shawbury and how far apart are the two

848
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:55,280
bases you can see it was on I did it via

849
00:45:01,450 --> 00:44:57,740
a Google map so it's it's an accurate

850
00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:01,460
map it's probably about 20 miles if that

851
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:03,830
but I don't know as the the crow flies

852
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:07,460
it's probably more direct route and like

853
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:09,020
I said it was witnessed there by the

854
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:11,720
beyond duty air traffic controller who

855
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:13,790
had a radar lock and everything on it

856
00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:16,070
yeah I can only imagine it had to have

857
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:20,180
been followed I am some of the quotes

858
00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:21,910
here from some of the witnesses are

859
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:25,100
pretty incredible and it did make the

860
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:27,650
headlines and and the news but what's

861
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:29,270
interesting here and one of the police

862
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:34,730
reports it says I have to report that at

863
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:37,880
hari f Cosford on March 31st at you know

864
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:40,820
time you know 115 that's redacted his

865
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:43,460
name I was on mobile patrol and the

866
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:45,050
lights appeared to be flying at great

867
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:48,380
velocity in a southeasterly direction at

868
00:45:54,970 --> 00:45:52,880
an altitude of about a thousand feet and

869
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:54,980
he was driving in his vehicle he stopped

870
00:45:58,720 --> 00:45:57,380
and and watched myself and then somebody

871
00:46:01,600 --> 00:45:58,730
else then returned so there's another

872
00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:01,610
witness and then they contacted the ATC

873
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:05,000
at RAAF line ham and was informed that

874
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:07,370
there were no known aircraft in the area

875
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:11,930
of Cosford they contacted RAF Brize

876
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:15,440
Norton and was informed of the same so

877
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:17,930
this went this went out to all of the

878
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:20,570
other RAF bases yeah they definitely

879
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:23,540
tried to find out the the identity of

880
00:46:28,750 --> 00:46:26,630
the craft and anything else it could be

881
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:28,760
another Air Force

882
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,960
you know stray aircraft anything else

883
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:34,640
and nothing came up

884
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,260
now and then it says in this police

885
00:46:40,299 --> 00:46:38,240
report which is one of the most

886
00:46:44,049 --> 00:46:40,309
interesting parts you have to read all

887
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:44,059
of it to see it but he thinks that it

888
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:51,369
landed in an in hazel Slade yeah yep

889
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:55,730
like you said it was seen whether it was

890
00:47:01,150 --> 00:46:58,670
seen after Shawbury from coast to shore

891
00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:01,160
rebook definitely seen before

892
00:47:06,609 --> 00:47:03,980
throughout the UK and i vant people who

893
00:47:09,970 --> 00:47:06,619
have actually contacted me who have seen

894
00:47:12,549 --> 00:47:09,980
similar things right around that area as

895
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:12,559
well so you know it was it was really

896
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:15,170
well documented and and I know Nick

897
00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:19,010
talks about it a lot in his talks and if

898
00:47:23,769 --> 00:47:21,109
you can hear him and I put links in the

899
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:23,779
book of his actual YouTube talks where

900
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:27,170
he does actually talk about it so Annie

901
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:29,390
did write a good piece in the book ahead

902
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:33,529
of the incident itself and saying how he

903
00:47:41,049 --> 00:47:37,480
dealt with the etc so yeah like you say

904
00:47:45,849 --> 00:47:41,059
documentation is is all there Nick says

905
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:45,859
here believe this is Nick Pope Ministry

906
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:48,220
of Defense is this one of his documents

907
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:58,059
Ministry of Defence right here it says

908
00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:00,980
as we discuss I'm currently looking into

909
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:02,900
a wave of UFO sightings that occurred I

910
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:05,240
went on Wednesday March 31st at around

911
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:07,910
1:10 a.m. I would be grateful if the

912
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:09,710
appropriate radar tapes could be

913
00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:11,690
transferred onto video and examined I

914
00:48:15,249 --> 00:48:12,980
have attached one of the most recent

915
00:48:16,930 --> 00:48:15,259
detailed reports received together with

916
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,940
the maps showing the timings approximate

917
00:48:21,579 --> 00:48:20,000
locations without going into them this

918
00:48:24,339 --> 00:48:21,589
is there's some confusion about the

919
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:24,349
height size and speed of the objects but

920
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:26,210
enough evidence to suggest that

921
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:29,660
something unusual occurred many thanks

922
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:32,410
for your assistance very interesting

923
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:36,890
what did I what did Nick draws as far as

924
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:40,700
conclusions I don't think they did a set

925
00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:42,950
us to this day I think it's still a bit

926
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:47,420
of a mystery to the the the identity and

927
00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:48,049
everything

928
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:51,739
else related to the the aircraft or ship

929
00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:55,249
whatever it was and the police reports

930
00:48:59,880 --> 00:48:57,529
I'll say police in confidence is that

931
00:49:03,130 --> 00:48:59,890
their version of secret or top secret

932
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:03,140
yeah all the documents you can see in

933
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:05,630
the book are the the release documents

934
00:49:11,769 --> 00:49:08,900
by the mo D so that's why they've all

935
00:49:14,859 --> 00:49:11,779
been blanked out and you can see just

936
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:14,869
partly but they've all been officially

937
00:49:21,699 --> 00:49:17,839
released what do you think it was how do

938
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:21,709
you think it was us or them I really

939
00:49:28,989 --> 00:49:24,170
don't know whether it was a secret

940
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:28,999
covert military craft like I say I I

941
00:49:36,099 --> 00:49:32,089
don't really know I do think a lot of

942
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:36,109
sightings are secret covert craft and it

943
00:49:40,989 --> 00:49:38,359
suits the military when somebody says

944
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:40,999
they've seen a UFO etc because it's the

945
00:49:48,999 --> 00:49:45,170
perfect cover story the the Belgium

946
00:49:51,819 --> 00:49:49,009
black triangle wave we can't I can't

947
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:51,829
dismiss you know this date is 1993 right

948
00:49:57,969 --> 00:49:53,900
at the end of the wave right not find

949
00:50:02,499 --> 00:49:57,979
that very interesting but the timing is

950
00:50:06,279 --> 00:50:02,509
very suspect isn't it yeah yeah that was

951
00:50:08,769 --> 00:50:06,289
another good sighting and that was done

952
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:08,779
via the if there military jet so

953
00:50:15,819 --> 00:50:11,390
actually followed with a radar lock the

954
00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:15,829
same pretty similar to the data that's

955
00:50:24,189 --> 00:50:19,459
been released now by Tom DeLonge and to

956
00:50:27,329 --> 00:50:24,199
the Stars Academy so yeah but way way

957
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:27,339
ahead of that obviously in time yeah and

958
00:50:33,789 --> 00:50:30,410
what what that that press conference

959
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,799
that the Belgian general held that that

960
00:50:37,179 --> 00:50:35,359
is still one of the best videos you can

961
00:50:39,459 --> 00:50:37,189
ever watch watch that press conference

962
00:50:41,709 --> 00:50:39,469
in their presentation on it they truly

963
00:50:47,289 --> 00:50:41,719
didn't know what they were up against

964
00:50:50,799 --> 00:50:47,299
they were really perplexed now why did

965
00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:50,809
you decide to write the book was it

966
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:53,329
because of the 1993 sighting or did

967
00:51:00,400 --> 00:50:56,209
something else get your interest going

968
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:00,410
in ufology yet just partly it was more

969
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:01,250
really

970
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:08,240
a bit more about UF ology and get into

971
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:11,660
it and there was nobody out there rarely

972
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:14,690
such at the time who could explain what

973
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:16,850
where I wanted to know when and look

974
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:20,770
into so I did and it sort of led on to

975
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:24,650
starting up a UFO page and writing for

976
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:27,470
other magazines and another pages myself

977
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,280
and oh go ahead I'm sorry I'm sorry - no

978
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:34,160
no I'm just saying a lot of people

979
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,560
contacted me when when I started writing

980
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:39,200
other things out and just releasing what

981
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:43,480
I'd find myself mainly about

982
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,110
identification of craft etc you know

983
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:50,800
origins and and then obviously

984
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:52,670
misidentifications and it seemed to just

985
00:52:00,970 --> 00:51:57,650
grow from there what kind of software in

986
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:00,980
this kind of photo analysis were you

987
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:02,930
self-taught and what kind of software

988
00:52:11,110 --> 00:52:07,090
did you use yet generally self-taught

989
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,120
and software is just evolving

990
00:52:17,950 --> 00:52:13,760
continuously you know it's it's getting

991
00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:17,960
better and better and and I find you can

992
00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:21,140
look at old photographs and use the

993
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,590
software and bring out the detail in the

994
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:26,480
photographs that you couldn't normally

995
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:28,280
see with the new normal

996
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:33,110
via TI if you could say that and people

997
00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:36,110
were generally contacting me asking

998
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:39,800
questions about what they'd seen and and

999
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:42,290
I was trying to get back off see and I

1000
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:44,810
can identify different types of aircraft

1001
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:46,700
that other people probably wouldn't and

1002
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:50,030
then I could tell them obviously if it

1003
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:52,760
was unidentified still or if it was an

1004
00:53:01,360 --> 00:52:56,140
aircraft a bird etc and I'm from there

1005
00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:01,370
and what software I do use and I just

1006
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:04,550
use Adobe at the minute and like I said

1007
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:06,530
it's progress in all the time right and

1008
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:09,500
you anyone can do this it's not rocket

1009
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:13,370
science or anything to it and when you

1010
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:15,140
when you say you using photo

1011
00:53:20,260 --> 00:53:18,200
shop in general people get the wrong

1012
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:20,270
idea because they think you actually

1013
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:23,900
change in a photograph or editing it in

1014
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:25,580
such a way but you're not you're

1015
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:28,370
actually using the filters on that are

1016
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:30,470
on the actual software itself that can

1017
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:33,050
bring out the detail in the photograph

1018
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:36,380
that you couldn't normally see and now

1019
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:40,850
with the the source material here where

1020
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:45,010
you are analyzing these different images

1021
00:53:53,050 --> 00:53:49,780
how do you get the best image to analyze

1022
00:53:57,550 --> 00:53:53,060
well generally if someone sends me an

1023
00:54:00,880 --> 00:53:57,560
image of an unidentified object I will

1024
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:00,890
try to ask for the original image right

1025
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:02,450
because if you can always get the

1026
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:05,090
original image it's the best you can get

1027
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:08,570
obviously right and then I would try and

1028
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:11,210
upscale that photograph but you've got

1029
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:13,070
to be careful because if people have

1030
00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:15,740
reposting photographs you're getting

1031
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,720
third fourth fifth generation

1032
00:54:24,550 --> 00:54:19,760
photographs and it and the quality

1033
00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:24,560
degrades quite quickly so if I do manage

1034
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:26,600
to get hold of the original photograph

1035
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:29,810
whether it be on a mobile phone or you

1036
00:54:33,490 --> 00:54:31,250
know a print

1037
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:33,500
what will you whichever way it comes to

1038
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:37,820
me now I try well I tried to upscale at

1039
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:41,210
first Road and then when you upscale it

1040
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:44,570
you tried to keep the integrity of the

1041
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:46,910
photograph really it's it's the detail

1042
00:54:51,490 --> 00:54:49,010
you're trying to keep because if you

1043
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:51,500
took a normal photograph and zoom into a

1044
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:54,050
photograph it generally just becomes

1045
00:54:59,770 --> 00:54:57,050
pixelated and you can't really make out

1046
00:55:02,800 --> 00:54:59,780
what the photograph is you know trying

1047
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:02,810
to get across you trying to see what is

1048
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:07,040
I like your bird analysis and I

1049
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:09,530
specifically wanted to address this just

1050
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:11,930
for a second tonight but before we get

1051
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:15,320
to that I knew this was gonna pop up and

1052
00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:17,690
so I'm gonna ask this question first of

1053
00:55:23,260 --> 00:55:21,080
all of the you this is from Mark in

1054
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:23,270
Australia he says of all of the UFO

1055
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:26,810
imagery that you have seen which which

1056
00:55:38,049 --> 00:55:34,439
that there's quite a few really

1057
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,059
obviously I do a lot of footage analysis

1058
00:55:44,469 --> 00:55:40,640
as well and in the book that a couple of

1059
00:55:46,569 --> 00:55:44,479
instances where whether you're gonna

1060
00:55:49,569 --> 00:55:46,579
discuss it in a bit or go into it it's

1061
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:49,579
it the one where there's two objects

1062
00:55:56,169 --> 00:55:52,359
have passed behind a military helicopter

1063
00:55:58,539 --> 00:55:56,179
that is rescuing people on a ship had

1064
00:56:04,269 --> 00:55:58,549
run aground in France I think that was

1065
00:56:05,769 --> 00:56:04,279
February 2014 that was quite convincing

1066
00:56:09,279 --> 00:56:05,779
but obviously that was taken from

1067
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:09,289
footage which you can see on my youtube

1068
00:56:14,229 --> 00:56:11,209
channel anyway it's all there for you

1069
00:56:17,169 --> 00:56:14,239
and then there was an Argentine pilot a

1070
00:56:21,130 --> 00:56:17,179
civilian Argentine pilot who had seen

1071
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:21,140
UFOs before and never took a camera or a

1072
00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:24,049
phone with him into his aircraft so this

1073
00:56:31,059 --> 00:56:25,880
time he took his mobile phone up with

1074
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:31,069
him he actually captured two UFOs that

1075
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:34,729
flew in front of his aircraft then took

1076
00:56:41,319 --> 00:56:37,369
a large arc to the right of his aircraft

1077
00:56:43,569 --> 00:56:41,329
and formed up in formation and then flew

1078
00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:43,579
right in front of his aircraft again is

1079
00:56:56,009 --> 00:56:51,140
that the dc-3 photograph I think yeah

1080
00:56:58,779 --> 00:56:56,019
that is an incredible photograph and

1081
00:57:00,279 --> 00:56:58,789
well we'll talk about that when we get

1082
00:57:02,859 --> 00:57:00,289
to it I need to take a break right here

1083
00:57:05,499 --> 00:57:02,869
Jason so we're gonna do that now when we

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00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:05,509
come back I just want to jump in to the

1085
00:57:10,959 --> 00:57:08,689
bird analysis and misidentification

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00:57:13,959 --> 00:57:10,969
because I think it's very important not

1087
00:57:16,329 --> 00:57:13,969
only for everybody to see because once

1088
00:57:19,089 --> 00:57:16,339
you look at it you go okay I've seen

1089
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:19,099
that in a lot of UFO photographs but

1090
00:57:25,539 --> 00:57:22,729
it's really easy to miss identify what

1091
00:57:28,569 --> 00:57:25,549
you may think is an obvious UFO because

1092
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:28,579
that's this is an obvious UFO right it's

1093
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:33,529
obvious but it is not this is this is

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00:57:36,910 --> 00:57:35,089
fade to black I'm your host Jimmy Church

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00:57:38,739 --> 00:57:36,920
our guest tonight Jason Gleaves we're

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talking about his new book and it's

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from around the world we will be right

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back after this short break stay with us

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01:01:40,330 --> 01:01:38,720
all right welcome back fade to black

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coming to maturity you can follow me on

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twitter at JD oh we're hosting some of

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01:01:53,290 --> 01:01:49,670
the images up there you know the fader

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01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:53,300
knots are really good with that and our

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01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:55,490
guest tonight is Jason Gleaves we're

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01:02:01,570 --> 01:01:58,090
talking about his book UFO photos

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01:02:05,050 --> 01:02:01,580
computer analysis and you can get the

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01:02:07,930 --> 01:02:05,060
book I suggest everyone to have this you

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01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:07,940
need to have this book for reference I

1173
01:02:14,170 --> 01:02:11,450
could not stop reading it so go and

1174
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:14,180
check it out now Jason we were talking

1175
01:02:18,340 --> 01:02:16,690
about you know the bird

1176
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:18,350
misidentification it's really funny

1177
01:02:25,590 --> 01:02:21,920
because your analysis in the book which

1178
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:25,600
is somebody grabs some images and posted

1179
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:28,010
turned out to be one of the images that

1180
01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:30,410
you use in the book it's not the same

1181
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:32,540
one that you used in the book it's set

1182
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:34,790
towards by but it's out there right and

1183
01:02:41,350 --> 01:02:37,850
you look at this and I think that

1184
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:41,360
anybody including myself would see an

1185
01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:43,930
image like this and it looks clearly

1186
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:47,270
like it's right out of Independence Day

1187
01:02:53,230 --> 01:02:49,850
right looks like an alien craft and it's

1188
01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:53,240
just amazing but it's a seagull right

1189
01:03:02,200 --> 01:02:58,970
and but it's it's so easy - how often do

1190
01:03:04,650 --> 01:03:02,210
we see something like this it's quite

1191
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:04,660
common really yeah the the

1192
01:03:12,340 --> 01:03:09,410
misidentification of birds for UFOs you

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01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:12,350
got to remember the word UF ly well the

1194
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:15,970
UFO is unidentified flying object so

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01:03:23,110 --> 01:03:20,050
people just assume that UFO is

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01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:23,120
extraterrestrial in origin or something

1197
01:03:28,270 --> 01:03:24,890
else and and it's not it's just

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:28,280
unidentified but I do get an awful lot

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01:03:34,090 --> 01:03:30,650
of images of people that take

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01:03:36,790 --> 01:03:34,100
photographs of birds and if it's out of

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01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:36,800
focus depending on the distance relative

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01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:39,380
to the person taken the image itself

1203
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:43,970
it's it can quite easily distort and

1204
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:45,980
look nothing like a bird

1205
01:03:50,829 --> 01:03:49,460
yeah because one of your examples here

1206
01:03:52,839 --> 01:03:50,839
again I don't want to spend a whole lot

1207
01:03:56,349 --> 01:03:52,849
of time on this but this is something

1208
01:04:00,880 --> 01:03:56,359
that as far as a reference go for any

1209
01:04:02,890 --> 01:04:00,890
ufologist is to go and understand the

1210
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:02,900
possibility of something like this being

1211
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:05,839
misidentified and you've got an example

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01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:10,210
of a bird in flight at 115 hundredths

1213
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:13,640
magnification you go to 1/5 and then 1/5

1214
01:04:18,849 --> 01:04:16,069
and then where it's out of focus and it

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01:04:20,770 --> 01:04:18,859
goes from being you know it looks like a

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01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:20,780
sparrow or something you know just

1217
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:25,490
cruising to the last image with it out

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01:04:30,490 --> 01:04:28,250
of focus it's a flying saucer it's a

1219
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:30,500
flying saucer they didn't looks nothing

1220
01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:33,530
like the original image of the bird on

1221
01:04:40,809 --> 01:04:37,190
top yep yeah definitely and that's why

1222
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:40,819
people quite easily and understandable

1223
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,720
miss identify that they've seen the UFO

1224
01:04:48,809 --> 01:04:46,640
and it's not it's a bit and some of

1225
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:48,819
these birds can actually fly quite fast

1226
01:04:54,250 --> 01:04:51,500
depending on again relative to where

1227
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,260
you've taken the photograph to you it

1228
01:05:01,780 --> 01:04:56,960
can appear like it's it's traveling

1229
01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:01,790
quite fast now let's jump into the

1230
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:04,430
before we get into the photographs now

1231
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:08,750
you have lots of examples of aircraft

1232
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:11,569
and where aircraft can become distorted

1233
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:16,400
and depending on if it was video or a

1234
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:20,480
still camera but they can do the same

1235
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:23,030
thing that birds can do which is out of

1236
01:05:26,650 --> 01:05:24,710
focus and the next thing you know you've

1237
01:05:29,549 --> 01:05:26,660
seen a UFO when it when it's not it's

1238
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:29,559
just a it's just yeah at common aircraft

1239
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:30,770
yep

1240
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:35,359
and again military civilian aircraft but

1241
01:05:41,770 --> 01:05:38,960
they can all be misidentified in the

1242
01:05:44,620 --> 01:05:41,780
book there's actually a case that I was

1243
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:44,630
presented by Philip man Toulouse a UFO

1244
01:05:50,109 --> 01:05:47,510
gist in the UK and he is actually the

1245
01:05:55,150 --> 01:05:50,119
the publisher of the book through flying

1246
01:05:58,210 --> 01:05:55,160
disc press and he are quite often gives

1247
01:06:01,839 --> 01:05:58,220
me photographs etc to analyze for him

1248
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:01,849
and you actually gave me one of a pilot

1249
01:06:09,310 --> 01:06:03,230
he was actually on holiday

1250
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:09,320
in Wiltshire in England in 2004 and all

1251
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,830
I was presented with from Philip was two

1252
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:14,480
photographs that are actually in the

1253
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,080
book and one eye you can you can see

1254
01:06:23,859 --> 01:06:20,960
yourself it's a it's a military jet it's

1255
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:23,869
you can see the aircraft outline but

1256
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:27,050
there's two more in the photograph below

1257
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:29,600
where there's a Union Jack flag in the

1258
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:31,520
middle yeah and that was that was the

1259
01:06:37,290 --> 01:06:33,850
subject he was taking the photograph of

1260
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:37,300
but either side of the flag you can see

1261
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:39,380
first of all when I first saw the

1262
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,470
photograph myself I just assumed like

1263
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:44,480
everybody else see in them that they

1264
01:06:51,820 --> 01:06:48,890
were disc disc shaped objects but then I

1265
01:06:54,099 --> 01:06:51,830
analyzed it went further and as you can

1266
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,109
see later in the book that you can see

1267
01:06:59,590 --> 01:06:56,480
that I identified them as military jets

1268
01:07:03,310 --> 01:06:59,600
there they are I mean you know even for

1269
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:03,320
me certainly the one on the left looks

1270
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:06,560
looks like it's a jet but the one on the

1271
01:07:09,820 --> 01:07:07,640
right I could see that being

1272
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:09,830
misidentified and you need to know what

1273
01:07:20,290 --> 01:07:14,330
you're looking at here now let's let's

1274
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:20,300
jump forward this I'd like to think that

1275
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:24,560
I've seen every image ever published on

1276
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:26,810
UFOs right I'm pretty cocky in that

1277
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:31,250
regard but your first case in the book

1278
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:33,890
your first analysis is one that I've

1279
01:07:39,940 --> 01:07:37,670
never seen before which is the you call

1280
01:07:43,210 --> 01:07:39,950
it well that is famously dubbed the

1281
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,220
first recorded image of a UFO captured

1282
01:07:50,590 --> 01:07:45,200
over Mount Washington New Hampshire

1283
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:50,600
United States in 1870 now that's a

1284
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:55,190
hundred and fifty years ago now when I

1285
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,880
looked at this image first off it's up

1286
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:01,359
in the clouds everybody you have to

1287
01:08:07,060 --> 01:08:03,170
understand what we're looking at here

1288
01:08:09,849 --> 01:08:07,070
but this is a pretty damn good image I

1289
01:08:13,390 --> 01:08:09,859
can't explain that that's obviously not

1290
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:13,400
a bird it's 1870 so it's not anything

1291
01:08:19,410 --> 01:08:15,089
out right it's not a plane

1292
01:08:21,150 --> 01:08:19,420
those haven't been invented yet and you

1293
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:21,160
start to break this image down I would

1294
01:08:25,770 --> 01:08:23,410
stop me in my tracks I had to look at

1295
01:08:27,809 --> 01:08:25,780
this a few times and say to myself okay

1296
01:08:30,990 --> 01:08:27,819
you know what the heck is that what

1297
01:08:35,730 --> 01:08:31,000
seriously what is that so tell us about

1298
01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:35,740
this image yeah like I said the book

1299
01:08:42,809 --> 01:08:39,880
really I wanted it to be not a hard read

1300
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:42,819
I needed an easy read for people who

1301
01:08:49,559 --> 01:08:46,330
really wanted sort of to grasp UF ology

1302
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:49,569
and and and and sort of get in there the

1303
01:08:56,970 --> 01:08:51,510
nitty-gritty of having a look at

1304
01:08:58,980 --> 01:08:56,980
different types of UFOs and like I said

1305
01:09:02,160 --> 01:08:58,990
they didn't want it to be a hard read so

1306
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:02,170
I wanted to go through step by step and

1307
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,970
and the only place you could really

1308
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:06,480
start was the first ever recorded

1309
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:10,750
photograph it was actually sold not long

1310
01:09:19,230 --> 01:09:14,520
ago on eBay somebody had had it in their

1311
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:19,240
collection and sold it and like you say

1312
01:09:25,470 --> 01:09:22,089
it's it's unidentified I still don't

1313
01:09:30,150 --> 01:09:25,480
know it was the days before Photoshop so

1314
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:30,160
it hasn't been manipulated onto any sort

1315
01:09:37,050 --> 01:09:35,049
of film and it's it's a stereo image

1316
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:37,060
everybody just so you understand too as

1317
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:39,670
well it's in stereo so you've got two

1318
01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:43,150
separate images here yep it's going back

1319
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:46,030
to the days where the the old stereo

1320
01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:48,010
photograph when you could put them in a

1321
01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:50,500
specialized machine and when you look

1322
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:53,950
through them they look 3d it was talked

1323
01:10:00,750 --> 01:09:57,280
before its time really did you get your

1324
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:00,760
hands on the original no no it's in a

1325
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:04,030
private collection somebody book all

1326
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:05,650
these photographs are out there for

1327
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:07,210
everyone to see and have a look for

1328
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:11,710
themselves the analyzed photographs that

1329
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:14,470
I put in the book of photographs I've

1330
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,350
enhanced from the original the best

1331
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:19,840
original I could get you know on the

1332
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:21,670
Internet itself

1333
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,250
and you can see detail in in the craft

1334
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:26,560
it's definitely a craft of some some

1335
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,070
kind

1336
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:28,800
unidentified obvious

1337
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:33,900
now it's uh again 1870 the description

1338
01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:35,610
if I'm gonna give a description of this

1339
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:39,500
it's your classic cigar-shaped craft

1340
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:44,190
yeah yeah but then again we've got no

1341
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,100
other details on the photograph itself

1342
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:49,760
so you have to sort of take a step back

1343
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:52,770
it could be a photograph taken from an

1344
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,040
end elevation looking at a triangular

1345
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:58,320
shaped craft or anything because of the

1346
01:11:03,080 --> 01:10:59,880
angle that you know could be flying

1347
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:03,090
towards you it could be so but first

1348
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:07,260
impressions it does look cylindrical in

1349
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:11,280
shape and out place definitely out place

1350
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:13,650
and and how big do you think this object

1351
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:16,260
is is there a way for you to figure that

1352
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:16,890
out

1353
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:19,140
not really unless you went to the

1354
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:21,150
vantage point where the photograph was

1355
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:23,640
taken and then you could work out from

1356
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:27,300
there but it doesn't look small on the

1357
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:30,960
original atop see taken round Washington

1358
01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:32,910
New Hampshire and it was from the top of

1359
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:35,550
a mountain and you can you can see the

1360
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:38,400
clouds in quite good detail as well so

1361
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:40,770
it's good for perspective to get other

1362
01:11:47,780 --> 01:11:44,760
things in photographs trees rubbery cars

1363
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:47,790
roads etc and these have got clouds

1364
01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:51,600
there so you can actually see it looks

1365
01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:54,150
if I'm gonna guess by looking at the

1366
01:12:00,740 --> 01:11:58,110
clouds here I'm gonna say this is this

1367
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:00,750
is definitely hundreds of feet long and

1368
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:03,690
with your analysis on it you you said

1369
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:06,420
that you could see a detail on the craft

1370
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:08,490
what do you think that was Oh what you

1371
01:12:12,980 --> 01:12:10,830
really think that is just structure to

1372
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:12,990
the crafty I mean theory if you look at

1373
01:12:18,650 --> 01:12:14,970
the original photograph it's just the

1374
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:18,660
black elongated shape to it you know a

1375
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:22,530
long cigar shape but when you enhance it

1376
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:25,650
with the filters like we said before it

1377
01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:27,810
just brings out structure to the craft

1378
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:30,270
you can see struts and different

1379
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:35,070
vertical horizontal you know beams etc

1380
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:38,250
that that could be part of the craft

1381
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,890
structure itself it's crazy

1382
01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:42,000
it's a

1383
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:45,630
enhancement of it is incredible but when

1384
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:47,550
you look at it I've just posted up the

1385
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:50,550
original here in Twitter so you can see

1386
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:52,770
the the the clouds in the background

1387
01:12:59,570 --> 01:12:56,850
and the more that you look at it I'm

1388
01:13:02,150 --> 01:12:59,580
wondering if whoever took the picture

1389
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,160
was taking pictures of the clouds or

1390
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,520
taking a picture of this craft they yeah

1391
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:07,140
they could I think they were probably

1392
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:11,250
taking of the scenery itself and the

1393
01:13:17,870 --> 01:13:14,910
vantage point people have dubbed it the

1394
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:17,880
the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars it

1395
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:19,320
does actually look like it's coming

1396
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:21,810
toward you doesn't it yeah yeah yeah

1397
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:26,810
that's that is a crazy image so as you

1398
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:30,480
finish this let's go through your your

1399
01:13:35,050 --> 01:13:32,520
step by step because you you do a

1400
01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:35,060
verdict of each one of these images and

1401
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:39,870
here you say it's unidentified yeah yep

1402
01:13:48,860 --> 01:13:45,420
but basically it's if if I ever analyze

1403
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:48,870
a photograph or do an analysis um leaves

1404
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:51,870
a photograph and I'm Braxley wrong I'd

1405
01:13:57,170 --> 01:13:54,420
be the first person to come forward and

1406
01:14:00,680 --> 01:13:57,180
say I was wrong and you know go down

1407
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,690
that road but it's just unidentified

1408
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:02,640
that you can't really say much more else

1409
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:05,340
to that you can't and now what about the

1410
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:10,110
altitude well again I don't know the

1411
01:14:16,190 --> 01:14:11,970
actual altitude it was taken out

1412
01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:16,200
obviously high up in in the mountain in

1413
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:20,910
Washington itself but again I really do

1414
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:24,090
think it was taken of the scenic the

1415
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,980
actual vantage point and whether again

1416
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:31,440
it could have been taken by somebody a

1417
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:33,450
key scene somethink and thought they'd

1418
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:36,090
take a photograph of it it's absolutely

1419
01:14:40,930 --> 01:14:38,280
incredible that is an incredible

1420
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:40,940
photograph and I've never seen it before

1421
01:14:48,380 --> 01:14:45,510
and when you look at it inverted it gets

1422
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:48,390
a little bit creepier to me in that it's

1423
01:14:54,230 --> 01:14:50,490
a real object it's a real object in the

1424
01:14:55,129 --> 01:14:54,240
clouds in New Hampshire in 1870 and

1425
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:55,139
there just was

1426
01:15:01,819 --> 01:14:58,110
anything else like this back then even

1427
01:15:04,989 --> 01:15:01,829
the airships this is rectangular in

1428
01:15:07,129 --> 01:15:04,999
shape it's like a monolith from 2001

1429
01:15:10,969 --> 01:15:07,139
sideways

1430
01:15:15,049 --> 01:15:10,979
I just I'm blown away by this by this

1431
01:15:17,929 --> 01:15:15,059
image yeah it's it was a good one to

1432
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:17,939
start with the book and then obviously I

1433
01:15:23,449 --> 01:15:20,550
went you know through the decades trying

1434
01:15:26,509 --> 01:15:23,459
to just just just to bring the reader up

1435
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:26,519
to date with different types of analysis

1436
01:15:32,689 --> 01:15:29,699
and with the first one obviously that

1437
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:32,699
was that was the best one to do now

1438
01:15:38,299 --> 01:15:36,050
let's let's go right to the next one

1439
01:15:40,909 --> 01:15:38,309
we're gonna jump ahead in the book and

1440
01:15:42,919 --> 01:15:40,919
talk about some other stuff and I

1441
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,929
encourage everybody to get the book and

1442
01:15:47,149 --> 01:15:44,820
you have to see the analysis of

1443
01:15:49,549 --> 01:15:47,159
everything out how it's broken down I'm

1444
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:49,559
certainly only provided you guys the

1445
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:52,409
original photographs here in Twitter but

1446
01:15:58,370 --> 01:15:55,530
you have to see how Jason does this it's

1447
01:16:01,489 --> 01:15:58,380
very impressive but let's talk about

1448
01:16:04,699 --> 01:16:01,499
this this car race in France and again

1449
01:16:09,469 --> 01:16:04,709
this is 1910 the Wright brothers did

1450
01:16:13,069 --> 01:16:09,479
their thing in 1903 so to have an again

1451
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:13,079
an image like this that captures

1452
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,239
something clearly in the sky

1453
01:16:21,879 --> 01:16:18,239
another cylindrical type object had a

1454
01:16:25,779 --> 01:16:21,889
car race I tell us about this photograph

1455
01:16:28,669 --> 01:16:25,789
yeah again it was a sort of a ten year

1456
01:16:31,699 --> 01:16:28,679
period from the first one to twenty

1457
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:31,709
years obviously put the Catalan Cup in

1458
01:16:38,179 --> 01:16:36,239
France and I don't actually think most

1459
01:16:39,919 --> 01:16:38,189
people in that photograph were actually

1460
01:16:41,839 --> 01:16:39,929
looking at it and you can see the old

1461
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:41,849
car coming around the racetrack

1462
01:16:47,989 --> 01:16:45,570
mm-hm and and all the the the spectators

1463
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:47,999
standing around the track and again

1464
01:16:52,370 --> 01:16:50,010
there's an awful lot of things in that

1465
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:52,380
photograph that can give you perspective

1466
01:16:58,339 --> 01:16:56,130
on the actual image itself and again

1467
01:17:01,629 --> 01:16:58,349
it's another cylindrical shaped object

1468
01:17:04,219 --> 01:17:01,639
whether it's traveling fast I don't know

1469
01:17:05,899 --> 01:17:04,229
but it's definitely there you know as

1470
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:05,909
you analyze it and you invert the

1471
01:17:11,629 --> 01:17:08,880
photograph you can see structure

1472
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:11,639
to that craft there's something

1473
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:15,090
underneath it I mean the way that it

1474
01:17:21,140 --> 01:17:17,699
looks to me here looks like there's some

1475
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:21,150
protrusions coming or maybe uh maybe gas

1476
01:17:28,010 --> 01:17:24,150
or something or some kind of I don't

1477
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:28,020
know mm possibly yet but there's

1478
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:30,420
definitely yeah you can see shadow to it

1479
01:17:32,899 --> 01:17:30,960
as well

1480
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:32,909
yeah you've got the the sunlight on the

1481
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:35,880
top and shadow at the bottom another you

1482
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:39,690
know a good thing to see incredible

1483
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,960
now let's this is well okay I do want to

1484
01:17:50,689 --> 01:17:48,239
stay in order here just for a second

1485
01:17:54,850 --> 01:17:50,699
because the cave junction photograph in

1486
01:18:00,740 --> 01:17:54,860
Oregon is a famous famous photograph but

1487
01:18:07,340 --> 01:18:00,750
years before this is 1927 and what is in

1488
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,350
this picture reminds me of the Rex

1489
01:18:12,970 --> 01:18:09,120
Heflin photographs that were taken in

1490
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:12,980
Santa Ana here in California in the 60s

1491
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:18,030
very very similar but this is 1927

1492
01:18:21,979 --> 01:18:19,590
before anybody was talking about flying

1493
01:18:26,020 --> 01:18:21,989
saucers or that that word wasn't even

1494
01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:26,030
used for another 20 years until 1947 and

1495
01:18:35,419 --> 01:18:30,510
this clearly shows in cave junction

1496
01:18:39,550 --> 01:18:35,429
Oregon a flying saucer yeah and it was

1497
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:39,560
it was taken by a volunteer firefighter

1498
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:43,650
of scene name unknown but it was a local

1499
01:18:52,459 --> 01:18:47,520
so we knew the area Annie and it's your

1500
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:52,469
typical disc-shaped craft and there's

1501
01:18:57,010 --> 01:18:54,540
quite a few good details I have come out

1502
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,020
in the analysis that you can see

1503
01:19:03,700 --> 01:18:59,840
distinctive structure to the craft and

1504
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:03,710
when you invert it again and you can see

1505
01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:08,010
you know this trees valley mountain in

1506
01:19:17,090 --> 01:19:11,550
the back again all good for perspective

1507
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:17,100
the the other thing especially with

1508
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:19,620
these are three photographs here we are

1509
01:19:25,410 --> 01:19:22,390
so used to digital manipulation and what

1510
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:25,420
and today these

1511
01:19:34,340 --> 01:19:30,450
the early photographs before 1995 write

1512
01:19:36,990 --> 01:19:34,350
anything that was on film is is

1513
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,000
absolutely amazing because you know it

1514
01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:39,040
you can tell if somebody's been

1515
01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:41,320
airbrushed or something's been retouched

1516
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,230
but that was the only way to modify a

1517
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:46,000
photograph back then it was either to

1518
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:48,190
alter the negative which always looked

1519
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:51,910
fake or paint on an image and then

1520
01:19:57,900 --> 01:19:56,170
rephotographed that image and it always

1521
01:20:00,720 --> 01:19:57,910
looked fake to me I did a lot of photo

1522
01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:00,730
retouching myself it was my job I did

1523
01:20:04,890 --> 01:20:03,160
that for a while and I know all of the

1524
01:20:06,330 --> 01:20:04,900
techniques and I got pretty good at it

1525
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:06,340
but you can also tell when something was

1526
01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:08,980
fake and so when you look at these early

1527
01:20:13,170 --> 01:20:11,350
photographs and it's an unmolested

1528
01:20:16,110 --> 01:20:13,180
version of the photograph like these

1529
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:16,120
that you're using here you can tell that

1530
01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:18,010
these were objects that were

1531
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:22,540
photographed at the time yeah definitely

1532
01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:27,280
and I really do like to analyze the old

1533
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:29,800
photographs probably better because

1534
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:32,080
because of that reason the the before

1535
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:34,990
Photoshop before anybody's got their

1536
01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:38,290
hands on it really and whether you know

1537
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:41,320
you can tell if it's been altered to it

1538
01:20:48,090 --> 01:20:45,910
to a point and just basically they you

1539
01:20:52,740 --> 01:20:48,100
know you can see the object there yeah

1540
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:52,750
and it's um now it looks like to me and

1541
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:54,760
I don't know in your analysis I would

1542
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:56,710
like your your opinion on this

1543
01:21:01,650 --> 01:20:59,400
it looks like it's behind the trees

1544
01:21:03,150 --> 01:21:01,660
right it doesn't look like it's new

1545
01:21:04,890 --> 01:21:03,160
Anglia Verret it looks like it's behind

1546
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:04,900
the trees and it looks like it's

1547
01:21:10,110 --> 01:21:06,970
slightly out of focus the trees are in

1548
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:10,120
focus which says to me that this is you

1549
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:13,330
know off in the valley behind the trees

1550
01:21:18,150 --> 01:21:16,480
if that's the case and judging from the

1551
01:21:22,230 --> 01:21:18,160
size of the trees we're looking at a

1552
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:22,240
craft that you know how I don't know

1553
01:21:27,810 --> 01:21:24,610
quarter mile away and maybe fifty to a

1554
01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:27,820
hundred feet in diameter yeah yeah and

1555
01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:30,190
it does look like it's it's it's over

1556
01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:32,590
the valley itself behind it the main

1557
01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:35,409
tree line that's in front

1558
01:21:40,879 --> 01:21:37,739
and it's quite big it'sit's a big object

1559
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:40,889
and the other thing is you need

1560
01:21:48,029 --> 01:21:43,510
especially back then you needed longer

1561
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:48,039
exposure times so if it was somebody

1562
01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:51,489
throwing something it would be blurry

1563
01:21:57,180 --> 01:21:54,760
and motioned in the photograph I would

1564
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:57,190
think I could be wrong here but and it

1565
01:22:00,750 --> 01:21:58,570
doesn't look like it's hung from any

1566
01:22:03,149 --> 01:22:00,760
kind of string or anything because

1567
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:03,159
there's nothing I'm trying to you know

1568
01:22:11,310 --> 01:22:06,369
to bunk the photograph yeah I can't do

1569
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:11,320
it with this one no no I you do look for

1570
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,750
strings and obviously at the time and

1571
01:22:18,209 --> 01:22:16,000
there again another way people could

1572
01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:18,219
fake photographs of you putting images

1573
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,360
on on pieces of glass and trying to take

1574
01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:24,400
the photograph through that again but

1575
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,590
when you look at them and you analyze

1576
01:22:30,930 --> 01:22:28,960
it's got the the shadow and everything

1577
01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:30,940
and the object is obviously hang in

1578
01:22:35,819 --> 01:22:34,150
there it's motionless yeah that's a

1579
01:22:40,649 --> 01:22:35,829
that's an incredible photograph right

1580
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:40,659
there and now I'm going to see if I can

1581
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:42,340
pull up an image of this for everybody

1582
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:44,170
and and I'll get this up here and

1583
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:51,250
Twitter now next up I wanted to ask you

1584
01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:55,480
about before we jump too much further

1585
01:23:02,399 --> 01:22:57,880
forward and your breakdown on this again

1586
01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:02,409
is your verdict was unidentified on

1587
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,150
iodine sorry yeah and this this other

1588
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:09,520
photograph which I'm familiar with which

1589
01:23:17,250 --> 01:23:13,270
I've seen before oh oh oh and this one

1590
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:17,260
is taken in 1929 again there wasn't talk

1591
01:23:25,049 --> 01:23:19,449
about flying saucers or that type of

1592
01:23:28,290 --> 01:23:25,059
thing in these early days and I I don't

1593
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:28,300
know if there was a mindset I maybe

1594
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,750
there was but you know of taking fake

1595
01:23:37,109 --> 01:23:34,480
flying saucer photographs in the 1920s

1596
01:23:42,510 --> 01:23:37,119
right I don't think it was I don't think

1597
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,520
it was part of pop culture no no and it

1598
01:23:47,140 --> 01:23:44,320
certainly wasn't done for people to make

1599
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:47,150
money etc out of you know

1600
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:49,800
you see a lot of the photographs and

1601
01:23:55,220 --> 01:23:52,530
probably if people did take a photograph

1602
01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:55,230
of something unidentified they probably

1603
01:24:00,860 --> 01:23:58,350
wouldn't speak about it no well they

1604
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:00,870
wouldn't they wouldn't have anything to

1605
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:03,930
relate to you know look what they what

1606
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:05,910
could they compare it to I mean there

1607
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:09,300
was I guess there was might have been

1608
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:13,290
some talk of Martians maybe is the man

1609
01:24:18,710 --> 01:24:15,330
on the moon but there certainly wasn't

1610
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:18,720
flying saucer conversation but this next

1611
01:24:27,740 --> 01:24:23,630
one which was over Ward Colorado in 1929

1612
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:27,750
again the original photograph it's

1613
01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:30,210
autographed which is really really cool

1614
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:34,740
it's autographed for 1929 and again your

1615
01:24:40,670 --> 01:24:37,260
analysis of this as you break this down

1616
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:40,680
this thing has got structure it's got

1617
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:43,770
detail it's extraordinary

1618
01:24:49,010 --> 01:24:45,690
there's a lot going on in this

1619
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:49,020
photograph yeah definitely this one this

1620
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:52,140
was a great photograph to do the detail

1621
01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:54,810
when you actually zoom dinh you know you

1622
01:25:01,460 --> 01:24:58,860
you upscale the photograph and and you

1623
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:01,470
can actually see in the book you know if

1624
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:04,050
you actually look at the the the detail

1625
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:07,560
around the craft it's just everything is

1626
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:10,440
set out just in the right place it's

1627
01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:12,060
just one of those photographs when you

1628
01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:14,430
see you think you know the hello

1629
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:19,820
photograph I call them yeah right and I

1630
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:23,640
mean how else can you put it right yeah

1631
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:27,120
yeah does make you sit up and and then

1632
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:29,250
when I broke the photograph down even

1633
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,490
more I tried to find the original style

1634
01:25:37,790 --> 01:25:35,520
of truck that was used at the time in

1635
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,800
the sawmill and and you can see people

1636
01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:40,080
stand in there and obviously someone's

1637
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:41,580
taking a photograph of them either

1638
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:45,090
working or whatever and this object is

1639
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:48,450
behind them that's the impression I got

1640
01:25:53,210 --> 01:25:50,130
on the photograph when I look and

1641
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:53,220
analyze that the the object is behind

1642
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,260
them so they're not actually seeing it

1643
01:25:59,850 --> 01:25:57,600
book whether the person taking the

1644
01:26:01,800 --> 01:25:59,860
photograph saw it I don't know

1645
01:26:04,290 --> 01:26:01,810
yeah they're posed what what could be

1646
01:26:07,230 --> 01:26:04,300
more cool in 1929 than getting your

1647
01:26:09,180 --> 01:26:07,240
picture taken right so those guys were

1648
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:09,190
worried about the the photographer which

1649
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:12,400
was a big deal right a camera Wow you

1650
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:15,450
know getting your picture taken and then

1651
01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:21,280
right behind them is a crazy silver with

1652
01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:24,670
lights on it and flying saucer buzzing

1653
01:26:31,530 --> 01:26:27,190
through the trees just an incredible

1654
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:31,540
photograph now again what was your

1655
01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:34,960
verdict here it's gone identified again

1656
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:39,270
clearly an object structured object

1657
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:42,250
going into the detail of the truck and

1658
01:26:50,820 --> 01:26:45,760
everything everything came out it was

1659
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:50,830
you know to date 1929 like era now on

1660
01:26:55,860 --> 01:26:54,070
yeah yeah and one of the cases that we

1661
01:27:00,240 --> 01:26:55,870
talked about we're gonna jump ahead here

1662
01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:00,250
and go to I don't have the time okay

1663
01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:01,750
we're gonna take a break when we come

1664
01:27:07,730 --> 01:27:04,060
back we're gonna do the battle of Los

1665
01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:07,740
Angeles again one of the most amazing

1666
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:10,240
photographs ever taken and certainly

1667
01:27:16,860 --> 01:27:13,710
well publicized and documented we have

1668
01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:16,870
McMinnville we can the Trent UFO we can

1669
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:19,390
get into that and everything else so

1670
01:27:24,270 --> 01:27:21,010
that you have covered here in this

1671
01:27:26,610 --> 01:27:24,280
amazing book a lot of work well done our

1672
01:27:28,860 --> 01:27:26,620
guest tonight Jason Gleaves live from

1673
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,870
the UK this is fade to black i'm your

1674
01:27:32,460 --> 01:27:31,120
host jimmy church more Jason right after

1675
01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:32,470
this when we come back we're going to do

1676
01:27:36,990 --> 01:27:34,660
the battle of Los Angeles and again

1677
01:27:37,690 --> 01:27:37,000
great analysis I'll be right back stay

1678
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:37,700
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1679
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1739
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1743
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,920
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

1744
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:45,520
the ocean me Church tonight Jason

1745
01:31:50,910 --> 01:31:48,850
Gleaves is with us live from the UK he's

1746
01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:50,920
got a new book it's called UFO photos

1747
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1748
01:32:00,090 --> 01:31:57,790
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1749
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:00,100
we're gonna talk about the the battle of

1750
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:03,010
Los Angeles which is one of the most

1751
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:06,910
documented cases and photographs in

1752
01:32:13,220 --> 01:32:10,210
history front page of the Los Angeles

1753
01:32:15,930 --> 01:32:13,230
Times had one of the most amazing

1754
01:32:17,850 --> 01:32:15,940
photographs ever which was all of the

1755
01:32:20,250 --> 01:32:17,860
spotlights right off of the coast of

1756
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:20,260
California lighting up an object in the

1757
01:32:26,130 --> 01:32:22,690
sky with all the antiaircraft of fire

1758
01:32:28,710 --> 01:32:26,140
exploding around it and Jason this

1759
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:28,720
photograph which I have studied over the

1760
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:32,410
years I had always thought and this is

1761
01:32:36,510 --> 01:32:34,570
why everybody needs to to get your book

1762
01:32:41,670 --> 01:32:36,520
I had always thought that that was a

1763
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:41,680
diamond-shaped craft up there clearly

1764
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:45,600
that is not the case is it no no the

1765
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:50,010
it's a great photograph to analyze and I

1766
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:52,690
really ii think this needed to be in the

1767
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,050
book as you can see the the original

1768
01:33:02,450 --> 01:32:58,480
photograph you can see the spotlights on

1769
01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:02,460
this object and all the artillery fire

1770
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:05,880
going off around it it does look

1771
01:33:11,190 --> 01:33:08,410
diamond-shaped originally when you do

1772
01:33:14,820 --> 01:33:11,200
look but when I analyze the photograph

1773
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:14,830
in more detail well as you can see in

1774
01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:17,170
the book it it come out completely

1775
01:33:25,650 --> 01:33:20,550
different and then amazed me really

1776
01:33:29,460 --> 01:33:25,660
they're just really it was it was think

1777
01:33:31,260 --> 01:33:29,470
it was three months just as America

1778
01:33:36,180 --> 01:33:31,270
actually joined the war because it was

1779
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:36,190
during 1942 right and everyone obviously

1780
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:39,250
thought it was either Japanese air force

1781
01:33:47,010 --> 01:33:42,850
or the German Luftwaffe attack in the

1782
01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:47,020
city it was a it be turned into a bit of

1783
01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:49,390
a free-for-all everyone shooting at this

1784
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:51,270
thing and it

1785
01:33:55,310 --> 01:33:53,130
late night and like you say it's

1786
01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:55,320
well-documented everyone can research

1787
01:34:03,950 --> 01:34:00,540
this for themselves and if you if you

1788
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:03,960
and you look into it I just tried to to

1789
01:34:09,470 --> 01:34:06,480
give people and the readers the what you

1790
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:09,480
can actually see you know in detail when

1791
01:34:15,230 --> 01:34:13,050
you've analyzed it the the daylight

1792
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,240
shots that you did the analysis of

1793
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:17,280
downtown Los Angeles from Wilshire

1794
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:20,190
Boulevard you know heading out west with

1795
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:21,810
the tower that you can see in the

1796
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:23,370
photograph and the way that you've

1797
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:27,690
overlaid it I mean it was right there it

1798
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:29,820
was right there above Los Angeles and

1799
01:34:37,970 --> 01:34:35,130
the other part for me about this is they

1800
01:34:40,700 --> 01:34:37,980
didn't shoot this thing down that's that

1801
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:40,710
there was an object there and if it was

1802
01:34:45,380 --> 01:34:42,060
a balloon it would have been shot down

1803
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:45,390
if it was anything terrestrial it would

1804
01:34:51,140 --> 01:34:48,480
have been shot down and it was not and

1805
01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:51,150
they they just gave up ultimately it

1806
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:53,790
just went up the coast and and and flew

1807
01:34:58,910 --> 01:34:56,880
away they never they never identified it

1808
01:35:00,770 --> 01:34:58,920
and they never shot it down well you

1809
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:00,780
know when you look at your breakdown

1810
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:04,530
here and and you've done a really really

1811
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:07,290
good report on this by the way the best

1812
01:35:13,820 --> 01:35:08,880
that I've ever seen on the battle of Los

1813
01:35:19,010 --> 01:35:13,830
Angeles when I look at your filtered and

1814
01:35:21,950 --> 01:35:19,020
inverted views what I don't even know

1815
01:35:25,450 --> 01:35:21,960
how to to explain what I'm looking at

1816
01:35:29,180 --> 01:35:25,460
what do you think how do you describe it

1817
01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:29,190
well it helps he wasn't military because

1818
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:30,840
they were obviously trying to shoot it

1819
01:35:38,690 --> 01:35:35,690
down the only thing I can really say it

1820
01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:38,700
probably was extraterrestrial I do

1821
01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:41,790
actually say it was unidentified as the

1822
01:35:50,210 --> 01:35:46,790
final verdict on on the the sighting but

1823
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:50,220
like you say you when I analyzed it the

1824
01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:55,920
the actual images that came through they

1825
01:36:01,730 --> 01:35:58,410
surprised me you know and I and I've

1826
01:36:04,020 --> 01:36:01,740
seen quite a few different it looks you

1827
01:36:08,850 --> 01:36:04,030
know what can I can I describe it in

1828
01:36:12,209 --> 01:36:08,860
one word yeah creepy yeah it's creepy

1829
01:36:16,770 --> 01:36:12,219
and you look at it sideways it's organic

1830
01:36:20,459 --> 01:36:16,780
it looks it looks et it looks alien I

1831
01:36:23,220 --> 01:36:20,469
totally agree with you then you look at

1832
01:36:24,990 --> 01:36:23,230
that thing sideways I tilt my head you

1833
01:36:27,629 --> 01:36:25,000
know and look at it sideways and it's

1834
01:36:30,779 --> 01:36:27,639
got a whole nother thing going on but

1835
01:36:35,609 --> 01:36:30,789
there is on the left side there's a

1836
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:35,619
smooth part of this object with the two

1837
01:36:39,149 --> 01:36:37,119
black holes I don't even know how to

1838
01:36:42,419 --> 01:36:39,159
explain that with the highlights that

1839
01:36:44,609 --> 01:36:42,429
that are there going through and then I

1840
01:36:48,029 --> 01:36:44,619
don't know what's going on on the top of

1841
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:48,039
it what we're calling the top that's

1842
01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:51,840
that's absolutely bizarre it looks like

1843
01:36:58,740 --> 01:36:54,670
looks like a Formula one helmet with

1844
01:37:01,140 --> 01:36:58,750
wings right it does looks futuristic it

1845
01:37:03,569 --> 01:37:01,150
does it does that's crazy and then and

1846
01:37:06,510 --> 01:37:03,579
then the right side I don't know what is

1847
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:06,520
going on there I mean part of that is

1848
01:37:13,470 --> 01:37:10,690
the the illumination from the the

1849
01:37:15,209 --> 01:37:13,480
floodlights right the spotlights but

1850
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:15,219
it's highlighting a part of the craft

1851
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:18,400
that looks I don't know so with what

1852
01:37:28,169 --> 01:37:23,050
side is is there a front with the front

1853
01:37:31,319 --> 01:37:28,179
be the left side it's very difficult to

1854
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:31,329
say I know it's creepy man that's a

1855
01:37:35,879 --> 01:37:33,489
creepy and it's a good it's an awesome

1856
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,889
job and I always thought it was

1857
01:37:41,939 --> 01:37:38,320
diamond-shaped and clearly it was not

1858
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:41,949
it's asymmetrical yeah yeah as you can

1859
01:37:46,740 --> 01:37:44,800
see and you got to remember I think

1860
01:37:50,279 --> 01:37:46,750
there was over fourteen hundred shells

1861
01:37:53,700 --> 01:37:50,289
shot at this object and it didn't even

1862
01:37:56,700 --> 01:37:53,710
move today carried on and and then also

1863
01:37:58,830 --> 01:37:56,710
that the tragic side I think five five

1864
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,840
people were killed that night as well

1865
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:00,880
through the the fall I wanna think I

1866
01:38:05,580 --> 01:38:02,650
think three people were actually killed

1867
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:05,590
in a car accident they did yeah yeah a

1868
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:08,050
couple of heart attacks yeah yeah

1869
01:38:15,650 --> 01:38:12,489
absolutely amazing okay let's let's jump

1870
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,660
ahead I don't want to run out of time

1871
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:17,520
I know that I'm just gonna let everybody

1872
01:38:24,020 --> 01:38:21,690
know that Jason has things to do okay so

1873
01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:24,030
we need to we need to move forward here

1874
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:27,120
pretty quickly McMinnville now the way

1875
01:38:36,170 --> 01:38:31,290
that you've broken this down which i

1876
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:36,180
think is great you've done an overlay of

1877
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:39,210
the two most famous versions of it one

1878
01:38:43,940 --> 01:38:42,090
with the the bottom of the craft or it

1879
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:43,950
could be the top it doesn't know I don't

1880
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:47,310
know if we actually know but and and the

1881
01:38:52,940 --> 01:38:49,970
famous side view right with the antenna

1882
01:38:57,530 --> 01:38:52,950
object on the top but when you overlay

1883
01:39:00,860 --> 01:38:57,540
the photographs the whoever took the

1884
01:39:02,660 --> 01:39:00,870
pictures moved they took a step to the

1885
01:39:05,180 --> 01:39:02,670
right yeah

1886
01:39:06,770 --> 01:39:05,190
the the I tried to overlay the two

1887
01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:06,780
separate there was actually two

1888
01:39:12,380 --> 01:39:09,750
photographs taken at the time and like

1889
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:12,390
you said the person taking the

1890
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:16,290
photograph moved so I tried to overlay

1891
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:19,710
them just to give perspective really to

1892
01:39:26,510 --> 01:39:22,050
the photograph and also it proves that

1893
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:26,520
the the object has moved and what were

1894
01:39:31,490 --> 01:39:28,500
the dates on this again this is 1950

1895
01:39:35,050 --> 01:39:31,500
right yeah yeah it is yeah now there has

1896
01:39:40,340 --> 01:39:35,060
been a lot of talk over the years about

1897
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:40,350
these hanging from strings from the the

1898
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:43,650
the electrical wires overhead any

1899
01:39:47,900 --> 01:39:44,810
evidence of that

1900
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:47,910
not what I could say I did go down the

1901
01:39:53,380 --> 01:39:50,880
road of looking for obviously strings

1902
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:53,390
cords cables anything of that

1903
01:39:59,210 --> 01:39:56,970
description and I couldn't see any at

1904
01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:59,220
all whether it was fine I mean

1905
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:01,500
fishing wire is obviously a lot thinner

1906
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:04,770
so at the time you know it could of I

1907
01:40:09,770 --> 01:40:07,440
wouldn't rule anything count but I I

1908
01:40:12,230 --> 01:40:09,780
couldn't see any evidence of that yeah

1909
01:40:14,630 --> 01:40:12,240
and with the McMinnville which are

1910
01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:14,640
certainly one of the most looked at

1911
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:17,880
photographs ever there's no question

1912
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:21,210
about that but the one with the side you

1913
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:22,770
know the side view with the antenna on

1914
01:40:26,780 --> 01:40:24,570
top that thing looks like it's like two

1915
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:26,790
miles away it doesn't look like it's

1916
01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:28,510
anywhere close to this house

1917
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:34,030
no no it does look in a distance and

1918
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:38,800
again the you've got the the telegraph

1919
01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:41,830
poles and the build in and obviously in

1920
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:44,260
the distance you can see a landscape

1921
01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:47,920
there so again it's it a lot lot really

1922
01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:50,260
to do with the perspective to get into

1923
01:40:55,890 --> 01:40:52,900
the photographs see that you know now

1924
01:40:59,460 --> 01:40:55,900
but then again you have to get the book

1925
01:41:03,120 --> 01:40:59,470
everybody but the one thing I've never

1926
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:03,130
seen before it looks like he found

1927
01:41:09,710 --> 01:41:07,210
possible exhaust outlets or portals it

1928
01:41:13,860 --> 01:41:09,720
could be Windows yeah

1929
01:41:16,710 --> 01:41:13,870
my impression mainly through the

1930
01:41:19,890 --> 01:41:16,720
military side was that they were exhaust

1931
01:41:22,860 --> 01:41:19,900
pipes they were you know the object was

1932
01:41:24,750 --> 01:41:22,870
actually flying away so everyone looks

1933
01:41:28,290 --> 01:41:24,760
at the photograph and they just assume

1934
01:41:30,540 --> 01:41:28,300
it's a disc-shaped but it could be the

1935
01:41:33,690 --> 01:41:30,550
wings and you can see the top which

1936
01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:33,700
could be a tail fin so it could be an

1937
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:38,860
advanced aircraft of its time you know

1938
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:40,770
these things are not always

1939
01:41:47,790 --> 01:41:42,610
extraterrestrial the like I said before

1940
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:47,800
a lot of secret covert their vehicles

1941
01:41:56,370 --> 01:41:53,290
aircraft etc if somebody's taken a

1942
01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:56,380
photograph and said it's a UFO when it's

1943
01:42:01,620 --> 01:41:58,570
the perfect cover story for the military

1944
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:01,630
or they'd the you know the the company

1945
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:06,370
etc it's made its own right want to jump

1946
01:42:19,860 --> 01:42:15,489
ahead to the the 1963 photograph with

1947
01:42:22,650 --> 01:42:19,870
the the dc4 where you can see the engine

1948
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:22,660
out of the side of the window and got

1949
01:42:28,290 --> 01:42:24,850
the craft and you've got the the the

1950
01:42:32,450 --> 01:42:28,300
flying saucer with a shadow on the

1951
01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:32,460
ground I've never seen this image before

1952
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:35,620
so I would I don't know if this is

1953
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:38,530
online if I can get this photograph up

1954
01:42:42,330 --> 01:42:39,690
but

1955
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:42,340
what can you tell us about this was

1956
01:42:50,580 --> 01:42:47,260
taken in 1963 yeah and it was taken by a

1957
01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:50,590
pilot and obviously he'd seen the disc

1958
01:42:57,899 --> 01:42:54,280
he obviously had a camera with him Annie

1959
01:42:59,609 --> 01:42:57,909
Annie took photograph of the disc out of

1960
01:43:03,479 --> 01:42:59,619
the side of the cockpit of his aircraft

1961
01:43:05,220 --> 01:43:03,489
and as you can see if you it don't if

1962
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:05,230
you can get the original photograph up

1963
01:43:10,379 --> 01:43:06,760
there they're there for everyone to see

1964
01:43:14,669 --> 01:43:10,389
online you can see the the disc shaped

1965
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:14,679
object with the corresponding shadow on

1966
01:43:22,020 --> 01:43:18,010
the ground you can see a road and I

1967
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,030
think it's over a forest or a wooded

1968
01:43:28,410 --> 01:43:24,960
area when it's flying you can see the

1969
01:43:31,169 --> 01:43:28,420
distinct shadow of the dc4 aircraft he

1970
01:43:32,970 --> 01:43:31,179
was flying and you can actually see just

1971
01:43:33,899 --> 01:43:32,980
out the corner to the right of the

1972
01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:33,909
photograph

1973
01:43:43,790 --> 01:43:36,790
it's the propeller spinner which is the

1974
01:43:47,129 --> 01:43:43,800
front curvature of the propeller and the

1975
01:43:51,060 --> 01:43:47,139
again this is 1963 this is you know

1976
01:43:54,089 --> 01:43:51,070
taken on film the way that all of the

1977
01:43:56,339 --> 01:43:54,099
shadows are correct and everything is in

1978
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,349
all ways

1979
01:44:02,160 --> 01:43:58,719
is there a way that this could have been

1980
01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:02,170
faked I don't think so

1981
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:05,710
for the fact that I've actually got an

1982
01:44:12,899 --> 01:44:10,000
original photograph of a DC fall from

1983
01:44:17,399 --> 01:44:12,909
the time period and actually overlaid it

1984
01:44:20,339 --> 01:44:17,409
to the propeller spinner and it matches

1985
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:20,349
up identical I actually got a an outline

1986
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:23,199
of the aircraft again that matches up

1987
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:26,460
identical to the shadow on the ground

1988
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:29,170
the only thing people have said

1989
01:44:34,919 --> 01:44:32,050
regarding this photograph in the past is

1990
01:44:38,939 --> 01:44:34,929
the disc shape itself could have been a

1991
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:38,949
button off some sort of clothing etc so

1992
01:44:46,410 --> 01:44:42,400
but I could not find a button of that

1993
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:46,420
description or similar when I was trying

1994
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:50,730
to investigate it right I just grabbed

1995
01:44:55,390 --> 01:44:51,920
okay

1996
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:55,400
have got this image here boom let's call

1997
01:45:01,479 --> 01:44:59,840
this 1963 it's not as good as your image

1998
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:01,489
but nonetheless it's something that

1999
01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:03,770
everybody can look at and see what we're

2000
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:08,500
talking about here yes yeah that that's

2001
01:45:19,330 --> 01:45:12,770
it's an incredible picture ok 1963 I'm

2002
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:19,340
not gonna waste time let's do two two

2003
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:25,370
two two two two done now with this the

2004
01:45:32,530 --> 01:45:28,250
angle of this is what I'm wondering

2005
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:32,540
about the angle of the shadow of the of

2006
01:45:40,930 --> 01:45:35,449
the saucer back to the ground with the

2007
01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:40,940
angle of the shadow of the DC third the

2008
01:45:47,650 --> 01:45:44,390
DC 4 do those line up for you is that

2009
01:45:50,919 --> 01:45:47,660
the same angle yeah they will obviously

2010
01:45:53,260 --> 01:45:50,929
where the the pilot has taken the

2011
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:53,270
aircraft didn't obviously fly as fast as

2012
01:45:59,110 --> 01:45:56,570
a conventional aircraft of today so he

2013
01:46:01,840 --> 01:45:59,120
had the side slide window that he could

2014
01:46:04,689 --> 01:46:01,850
open up again you can see a photograph

2015
01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:04,699
of the actual weather it's not the

2016
01:46:11,700 --> 01:46:06,580
actual aircraft but it's the year it's

2017
01:46:15,070 --> 01:46:11,710
it's similar aircraft the dc4 and

2018
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:15,080
everything I could do was much you know

2019
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:18,710
through my analysis the photograph the

2020
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,690
shadow on the ground the shadow of the

2021
01:46:25,540 --> 01:46:22,880
shape the only thing like I said I

2022
01:46:27,250 --> 01:46:25,550
couldn't match up was the disc itself

2023
01:46:30,250 --> 01:46:27,260
with somebody said it could have been a

2024
01:46:34,890 --> 01:46:30,260
button right man that's an incredible

2025
01:46:37,959 --> 01:46:34,900
photograph that's absolutely insane

2026
01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:37,969
let's jump forward here I'm looking at

2027
01:46:45,250 --> 01:46:39,620
the clock we've got a little bit more

2028
01:46:48,250 --> 01:46:45,260
time here I wanted to get to I'm gonna

2029
01:46:54,490 --> 01:46:48,260
jump back but I want the the famous

2030
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:54,500
Mojave Desert helicopter shots again one

2031
01:47:01,450 --> 01:46:57,410
of the one of the more famous cases out

2032
01:47:02,290 --> 01:47:01,460
there in the apology that and it's it's

2033
01:47:06,450 --> 01:47:02,300
modern

2034
01:47:10,540 --> 01:47:06,460
[Music]

2035
01:47:14,350 --> 01:47:10,550
clearly the best way I could say it in

2036
01:47:18,130 --> 01:47:14,360
focus in color multiple images multiple

2037
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:18,140
views and it's intrigued me for such a

2038
01:47:25,090 --> 01:47:21,440
long time so let's talk about these who

2039
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:25,100
took these photographs and the person is

2040
01:47:33,550 --> 01:47:28,850
unnamed but it was first brought out on

2041
01:47:36,670 --> 01:47:33,560
our bells midnight in the desert and it

2042
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:36,680
was basically somebody who worked there

2043
01:47:42,370 --> 01:47:41,090
of was on-site at the base and they knew

2044
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:42,380
they shouldn't have been there and they

2045
01:47:46,750 --> 01:47:45,350
took photographs of this disc-shaped and

2046
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:46,760
it looks metallic

2047
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:49,970
clearly when I'm sure most people have

2048
01:47:54,130 --> 01:47:51,920
seen these photographs by now like you

2049
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:54,140
say it's more of a modern-day photograph

2050
01:47:59,770 --> 01:47:56,930
mm-hmm and they've got the helicopter in

2051
01:48:02,470 --> 01:47:59,780
sight they've also got the the cloud the

2052
01:48:05,260 --> 01:48:02,480
ground and when I actually overlaid

2053
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:05,270
photographs to do the analysis for this

2054
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,960
one again you could distinctly see that

2055
01:48:14,170 --> 01:48:10,880
the object is moved within the

2056
01:48:17,050 --> 01:48:14,180
photograph so if everything tallied up

2057
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:17,060
the same as every other way I approach

2058
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:20,570
it so and the shadow on the ground as

2059
01:48:25,180 --> 01:48:22,790
well you know there was a lot of things

2060
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:25,190
a lot of people have actually said they

2061
01:48:30,430 --> 01:48:28,250
think it's fake and you know that anyone

2062
01:48:32,650 --> 01:48:30,440
could say they were fake or real you

2063
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:32,660
know until we actually really know

2064
01:48:38,500 --> 01:48:36,800
hundred percent so but yet that they're

2065
01:48:40,660 --> 01:48:38,510
all on the internet for everyone to see

2066
01:48:44,860 --> 01:48:40,670
as well so yeah what year were these

2067
01:48:49,530 --> 01:48:44,870
taken I can't remember the actual yeah I

2068
01:48:52,810 --> 01:48:49,540
think it's 2017 I'm sure it was on Oh

2069
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:52,820
2007 yeah there you go yeah was that it

2070
01:49:01,450 --> 01:48:55,610
was on coast to coast not midnight in

2071
01:49:07,900 --> 01:49:01,460
the desert but but I that seems about

2072
01:49:10,450 --> 01:49:07,910
right 2007 hey I don't know what about

2073
01:49:11,860 --> 01:49:10,460
the reflections let's talk about that

2074
01:49:15,610 --> 01:49:11,870
for a second were you able to pick up

2075
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:15,620
anything they're just the standard for

2076
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:18,410
where the the Sun is actually shining on

2077
01:49:34,730 --> 01:49:19,110
the

2078
01:49:39,710 --> 01:49:34,740
flying

2079
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:39,720
it's obviously whether it's a back

2080
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:43,410
engineered craft whether it's secret

2081
01:49:49,340 --> 01:49:47,370
covert again it's all speculation but

2082
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,350
it's definitely there and it's

2083
01:49:55,310 --> 01:49:51,840
definitely moved so it's it's like it's

2084
01:49:56,630 --> 01:49:55,320
in flight yeah I'm looking at one of the

2085
01:49:58,340 --> 01:49:56,640
original posts from this I've been

2086
01:49:59,810 --> 01:49:58,350
holding onto these pictures for 10 years

2087
01:50:02,150 --> 01:49:59,820
and it's time to show someone I took

2088
01:50:04,580 --> 01:50:02,160
these pictures in July 2007 on our radar

2089
01:50:06,890 --> 01:50:04,590
test Ranger Mojave Desert I've always

2090
01:50:08,990 --> 01:50:06,900
been nervous to show anyone but there

2091
01:50:12,590 --> 01:50:09,000
you go

2092
01:50:16,130 --> 01:50:12,600
submitted they surface in 2017 I thought

2093
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:16,140
I saw this 10 years ago yeah you you

2094
01:50:21,980 --> 01:50:18,450
possibly could off you know and they've

2095
01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:21,990
sort of come back up again but he says

2096
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:23,790
here he's been holding on to these for

2097
01:50:32,540 --> 01:50:29,010
ten years okay you know that's what

2098
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:32,550
happens when you get old Jason I have no

2099
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:37,050
idea so what what was when you overlaid

2100
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:39,570
the two okay you did you did a couple of

2101
01:50:45,650 --> 01:50:42,810
overlays what did you find out like I

2102
01:50:48,740 --> 01:50:45,660
said you can definitely see that the

2103
01:50:51,650 --> 01:50:48,750
object is moved within two photographs

2104
01:50:54,170 --> 01:50:51,660
two separate photographs so that's just

2105
01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:54,180
the way of me proving that the actual

2106
01:51:00,680 --> 01:50:57,150
object is moving you can see that it's

2107
01:51:04,670 --> 01:51:00,690
actually smaller and further away in in

2108
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:04,680
in the the second photograph so it's

2109
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:06,360
moving around you can see it moving

2110
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:10,110
around do you do you feel confident in

2111
01:51:14,630 --> 01:51:12,570
suggesting that the reflections on the

2112
01:51:18,860 --> 01:51:14,640
bottom half of this which I've always

2113
01:51:22,730 --> 01:51:18,870
tried to figure out is is accurate to

2114
01:51:25,580 --> 01:51:22,740
what is on the ground yeah I think it's

2115
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:25,590
the reflection back off if it is

2116
01:51:32,779 --> 01:51:29,970
metallic in in reflective material etc

2117
01:51:36,169 --> 01:51:32,789
ear to be made of metallic

2118
01:51:38,809 --> 01:51:36,179
substance that the reflection of the

2119
01:51:41,449 --> 01:51:38,819
desert up would give the light

2120
01:51:43,939 --> 01:51:41,459
underneath so again the characteristics

2121
01:51:47,359 --> 01:51:43,949
shout out the right things to me

2122
01:51:49,009 --> 01:51:47,369
absolutely incredible and the jury's

2123
01:51:55,129 --> 01:51:49,019
still out for me on this and the reason

2124
01:51:58,369 --> 01:51:55,139
why I remember this guy's story and how

2125
01:52:03,379 --> 01:51:58,379
we describe the event very convincing

2126
01:52:05,539 --> 01:52:03,389
story okay I get all of that the

2127
01:52:10,250 --> 01:52:05,549
helicopter showed up after he saw the

2128
01:52:12,169 --> 01:52:10,260
disc if I remember correctly and and he

2129
01:52:16,399 --> 01:52:12,179
was nervous at the time and and took

2130
01:52:19,909 --> 01:52:16,409
these these these pictures but I have my

2131
01:52:23,089 --> 01:52:19,919
eyes tell me that it's a real photograph

2132
01:52:26,059 --> 01:52:23,099
that these are real images it just to me

2133
01:52:28,789 --> 01:52:26,069
I always depend on my eyes you know if

2134
01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:28,799
I'm cool with it if I don't have to go

2135
01:52:36,770 --> 01:52:33,239
well if I don't do that initially I

2136
01:52:39,500 --> 01:52:36,780
think these are real images and I I

2137
01:52:42,109 --> 01:52:39,510
can't debunk these with my eyeballs

2138
01:52:45,229 --> 01:52:42,119
I can't I'm pretty confident that these

2139
01:52:46,969 --> 01:52:45,239
are real yeah I just basically want

2140
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:46,979
people to come up with their own

2141
01:52:52,609 --> 01:52:50,010
conclusion though I put the facts or you

2142
01:52:55,429 --> 01:52:52,619
know whether they're facts you know the

2143
01:52:57,579 --> 01:52:55,439
the images in the book and then it's for

2144
01:53:02,119 --> 01:52:57,589
the reader to make their own mind up

2145
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:02,129
yeah yeah pretty cool okay one last case

2146
01:53:10,819 --> 01:53:07,280
I want to go back to the one from

2147
01:53:15,319 --> 01:53:10,829
Argentina and I've got to back up here

2148
01:53:20,029 --> 01:53:15,329
what page is that what page ninety nine

2149
01:53:23,989 --> 01:53:20,039
might be is that Lee the pilot you said

2150
01:53:28,669 --> 01:53:23,999
on its page ninety nine yeah I think it

2151
01:53:38,850 --> 01:53:34,469
my yeah yeah yeah yeah okay again it's

2152
01:53:42,779 --> 01:53:38,860
just one of those things and the at this

2153
01:53:45,330 --> 01:53:42,789
altitude do we automatically eliminate

2154
01:53:49,469 --> 01:53:45,340
bird yep

2155
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:49,479
I think at the altitude Iza the with the

2156
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:53,249
cloud the way it is it's it's definitely

2157
01:54:01,319 --> 01:53:57,489
it's definitely above 4,000 5,000 feet

2158
01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:01,329
at least but you really do need to see

2159
01:54:06,959 --> 01:54:04,030
the footage the footage is is the best

2160
01:54:10,049 --> 01:54:06,969
this is one of my favorites and the

2161
01:54:12,540 --> 01:54:10,059
footage is where it's on my youtube

2162
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:12,550
channel okay you can see see on there

2163
01:54:17,339 --> 01:54:15,489
right on Facebook and go on the link but

2164
01:54:20,459 --> 01:54:17,349
it's it's it's there for every any of

2165
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,469
you yet you see the footage the

2166
01:54:26,850 --> 01:54:22,800
photographs don't really do it justice

2167
01:54:30,649 --> 01:54:26,860
the and it's is that you have only you

2168
01:54:33,899 --> 01:54:30,659
have only the name of the you of your

2169
01:54:39,239 --> 01:54:33,909
YouTube channel yeah that's it yeah now

2170
01:54:42,509 --> 01:54:39,249
in the footage which I have seen it

2171
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:42,519
looks to me again it looks to me like

2172
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:47,260
this object is hundreds of feet in

2173
01:54:53,459 --> 01:54:50,800
length yet the first object and the

2174
01:54:55,889 --> 01:54:53,469
second object behind it is probably

2175
01:55:00,119 --> 01:54:55,899
about half the size at least well it's a

2176
01:55:02,069 --> 01:55:00,129
lot closer the second object but they're

2177
01:55:06,839 --> 01:55:02,079
but they're similar in shape to which I

2178
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:06,849
find absolutely fascinating so what do

2179
01:55:12,509 --> 01:55:09,570
you what are your conclusions here I

2180
01:55:16,739 --> 01:55:12,519
think it's real obviously I like it's

2181
01:55:20,339 --> 01:55:16,749
one of my favorites really and and just

2182
01:55:23,219 --> 01:55:20,349
basically what the the objects do and I

2183
01:55:25,919 --> 01:55:23,229
know that the pilot had seen objects

2184
01:55:28,020 --> 01:55:25,929
before but not actually recorded them so

2185
01:55:30,989 --> 01:55:28,030
that's why he took his mobile phone up

2186
01:55:35,239 --> 01:55:30,999
with him and that's also why the the

2187
01:55:37,979 --> 01:55:35,249
footage is a tall length instead of

2188
01:55:41,609 --> 01:55:37,989
landscape because it was taken on his

2189
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:41,619
mobile phone and you can see he's trying

2190
01:55:46,109 --> 01:55:42,010
to

2191
01:55:49,950 --> 01:55:46,119
follow the objects and he can see them

2192
01:55:52,740 --> 01:55:49,960
coming from his left-hand side and they

2193
01:55:54,060 --> 01:55:52,750
buzz writing from dangerously close in

2194
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:54,070
front of his aircraft

2195
01:55:58,439 --> 01:55:56,800
dude the large arc together which he

2196
01:55:59,939 --> 01:55:58,449
doesn't I wish he did actually

2197
01:56:03,810 --> 01:55:59,949
follow it but he didn't he's looking

2198
01:56:06,509 --> 01:56:03,820
forwards the objects coming into a

2199
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:06,519
formation and then a buzzes aircraft

2200
01:56:11,939 --> 01:56:09,250
again right in front before taking off

2201
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:11,949
now I'm gonna let everybody know that

2202
01:56:18,990 --> 01:56:14,170
there's a couple of cases in here that

2203
01:56:21,359 --> 01:56:19,000
are solved too as well and that that is

2204
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,369
worth the price of admission right there

2205
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:23,440
and you know and you've got to be able

2206
01:56:32,189 --> 01:56:30,750
but I'm not gonna get into that I want

2207
01:56:35,399 --> 01:56:32,199
everybody to get the bookwork and

2208
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:35,409
everybody going get their own copy it's

2209
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:39,730
on Amazon so you can get it an Amazon UK

2210
01:56:46,290 --> 01:56:43,119
America tower around and through flying

2211
01:56:48,509 --> 01:56:46,300
discs press which is philip mantle who's

2212
01:56:50,009 --> 01:56:48,519
the publisher he's also got the books on

2213
01:56:53,479 --> 01:56:50,019
there as well

2214
01:56:56,370 --> 01:56:53,489
I miss is it's an amazing piece of work

2215
01:56:58,350 --> 01:56:56,380
you've done a lot of research here and I

2216
01:57:01,439 --> 01:56:58,360
think that you're very honest and and

2217
01:57:04,620 --> 01:57:01,449
and skeptical in your conclusions and

2218
01:57:06,359 --> 01:57:04,630
and I dig that it's a lot of work and

2219
01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:06,369
it's a great effort and I highly

2220
01:57:10,319 --> 01:57:08,260
recommend the book Jason thank you so

2221
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:10,329
much thank you Jimmy

2222
01:57:15,029 --> 01:57:13,360
you have a great night and we've got to

2223
01:57:16,759 --> 01:57:15,039
get you back on the show when we've got

2224
01:57:20,430 --> 01:57:16,769
some more time and we'll uh we'll

2225
01:57:22,890 --> 01:57:20,440
continue to pick stuff apart yes sure

2226
01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:22,900
yeah thank you Jason be safe over there

2227
01:57:29,299 --> 01:57:25,840
and give my best to Philip will ya yeah

2228
01:57:32,569 --> 01:57:29,309
will do thank you so much Jason Gleaves

2229
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the book is an amazing an amazing

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analysis and I highly recommend it it is

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UFO photos oh man I just lost it

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serious I couldn't stay stable without

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poor mr. Bush life fades apart because

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this is fade to black

2314
02:01:49,070 --> 02:01:45,420
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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02:01:51,450 --> 02:01:49,080
radio network and K GRA the global radio

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02:02:07,350 --> 02:02:04,710
[Music]

2318
02:02:09,690 --> 02:02:07,360
all right welcome back fade to black

2319
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:09,700
I'm Errol Jimmy Church opening up the

2320
02:02:18,090 --> 02:02:13,810
phone lines three to three eight two

2321
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:18,100
five five zero four five four three two

2322
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:22,480
three two seven five nine six nine five

2323
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:23,890
three two three eight two five five zero

2324
02:02:29,700 --> 02:02:26,530
four five four three two three two seven

2325
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:29,710
five nine six nine five now if you go I

2326
02:02:35,190 --> 02:02:32,320
want to thank Jason Gleaves for coming

2327
02:02:38,220 --> 02:02:35,200
in tonight and his book is it's just

2328
02:02:40,740 --> 02:02:38,230
amazing and it's my favorite favorite

2329
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:40,750
kind of book to read uh my favorite

2330
02:02:47,130 --> 02:02:43,570
favorite but it's my favorite I like

2331
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:47,140
data right and and the way that it's

2332
02:02:51,270 --> 02:02:49,210
presented here on some of these cases

2333
02:02:53,700 --> 02:02:51,280
that I have looked at over the years so

2334
02:02:57,630 --> 02:02:53,710
many times and to see it broken down

2335
02:02:59,820 --> 02:02:57,640
this way and what he did with the battle

2336
02:03:03,150 --> 02:02:59,830
of Los Angeles I'm serious - that's

2337
02:03:06,030 --> 02:03:03,160
pretty incredible and his McMinnville

2338
02:03:09,690 --> 02:03:06,040
case stuff is really really good and of

2339
02:03:13,770 --> 02:03:09,700
course these original shots I mean 1870

2340
02:03:16,250 --> 02:03:13,780
you you look at that image and I I don't

2341
02:03:19,740 --> 02:03:16,260
know what to think about it well anyway

2342
02:03:22,410 --> 02:03:19,750
the book is amazing you can go and get

2343
02:03:24,420 --> 02:03:22,420
it from flying this press and of course

2344
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:24,430
over on Amazon and the link to read to

2345
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:27,850
me church radio the work is incredible

2346
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:32,050
its exhaustive there is a lot to see in

2347
02:03:38,490 --> 02:03:33,970
his book so go and check it out

2348
02:03:40,380 --> 02:03:38,500
UFO photos computer analysis now really

2349
02:03:42,060 --> 02:03:40,390
quick again the phone lines are open

2350
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:42,070
three two three eight to five five zero

2351
02:03:49,110 --> 02:03:45,310
four five or three to three to seven

2352
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:49,120
five nine six nine five I put up the

2353
02:03:59,970 --> 02:03:54,490
links to Jason's YouTube channel and you

2354
02:04:02,880 --> 02:03:59,980
can go over to it it's you f only on

2355
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:02,890
youtube the links are there and you can

2356
02:04:08,820 --> 02:04:06,000
look at this video of this Argentinian

2357
02:04:12,780 --> 02:04:08,830
pilot that was surprised by these two

2358
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:12,790
UFOs now when you look at it and in in

2359
02:04:16,609 --> 02:04:14,530
the book he's got pictures of this but

2360
02:04:19,260 --> 02:04:16,619
cific aircraft that he was flying and

2361
02:04:22,500 --> 02:04:19,270
you look at this I'm looking at the

2362
02:04:26,370 --> 02:04:22,510
video now I would love to hear from any

2363
02:04:31,229 --> 02:04:26,380
of you that are watching this video 3 2

2364
02:04:33,959 --> 02:04:31,239
3 18 5 5 0 4 5 4 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 you

2365
02:04:38,189 --> 02:04:33,969
look at this and I've shot a lot of

2366
02:04:41,879 --> 02:04:38,199
video inside of airplanes and you get

2367
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:41,889
the you get that prop right okay well

2368
02:04:46,770 --> 02:04:44,800
these these two objects just so you

2369
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:46,780
understand how significant this is I'm

2370
02:04:54,569 --> 02:04:51,010
gonna pause it they go from left to

2371
02:04:57,839 --> 02:04:54,579
right in front of his craft now he's up

2372
02:05:00,330 --> 02:04:57,849
above the clouds okay so I don't know

2373
02:05:01,709 --> 02:05:00,340
what the altitude is to be up that high

2374
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:01,719
and I know there's different layers of

2375
02:05:07,260 --> 02:05:04,239
clouds but he's up that high and he's in

2376
02:05:10,319 --> 02:05:07,270
an aircraft that is pressurized so he's

2377
02:05:13,709 --> 02:05:10,329
up he's up he's up in the air he's above

2378
02:05:16,830 --> 02:05:13,719
the clouds and these two objects fly

2379
02:05:20,750 --> 02:05:16,840
right and for novices in the video it's

2380
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:20,760
unbroken footage from his cellphone and

2381
02:05:27,870 --> 02:05:24,610
they go from left to left to right in

2382
02:05:30,270 --> 02:05:27,880
front of his craft right in front of his

2383
02:05:34,260 --> 02:05:30,280
plane and and he's sitting there flying

2384
02:05:37,500 --> 02:05:34,270
and then they come back and now they go

2385
02:05:39,330 --> 02:05:37,510
from right to left and you'd look at

2386
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:39,340
this and you see how it's broken down

2387
02:05:46,799 --> 02:05:44,110
and especially in slow motion at that

2388
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:46,809
altitude like I asked Jason you can

2389
02:05:52,970 --> 02:05:49,840
eliminate birds you know at that

2390
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:52,980
altitude second this dude is cruising

2391
02:05:59,819 --> 02:05:56,050
you know at a couple of hundred miles an

2392
02:06:02,279 --> 02:05:59,829
hour and so for something man that is

2393
02:06:05,220 --> 02:06:02,289
just crazy when it goes from left to

2394
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:05,230
right for something to fly at that speed

2395
02:06:11,569 --> 02:06:07,690
to pass him up because that's what they

2396
02:06:17,370 --> 02:06:11,579
are doing the second pass look at that

2397
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:17,380
and one is one you know one is disc

2398
02:06:23,250 --> 02:06:19,690
I think they're both disc shaped but the

2399
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:23,260
second one that is further up has got

2400
02:06:28,710 --> 02:06:27,250
more it's shorter and square I

2401
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:28,720
I don't know how to explain it but the

2402
02:06:34,050 --> 02:06:30,850
other one is definitely dis shape but

2403
02:06:37,620 --> 02:06:34,060
when these guys come back so they've

2404
02:06:39,690 --> 02:06:37,630
turned around in the air and it's just

2405
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:39,700
seconds later and they turn around and

2406
02:06:47,250 --> 02:06:45,010
passes his airplane up it's crazy that

2407
02:06:51,090 --> 02:06:47,260
is crazy UFO footage right there

2408
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:51,100
that is some real-deal stuff I am I'm

2409
02:06:56,100 --> 02:06:53,920
looking at it again I don't I don't know

2410
02:06:59,850 --> 02:06:56,110
what to make of it i I really don't it's

2411
02:07:05,670 --> 02:06:59,860
fascinating and they're definitely that

2412
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:05,680
yeah one one is squared and one is flat

2413
02:07:11,460 --> 02:07:10,000
and disc they're two different they're

2414
02:07:13,950 --> 02:07:11,470
two different whatever they are and

2415
02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:13,960
there's no wings flapping there's

2416
02:07:19,650 --> 02:07:15,940
nothing like that there's nothing here

2417
02:07:22,350 --> 02:07:19,660
that makes it look like it's it's a bird

2418
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:22,360
plus it's it's too high up it's too high

2419
02:07:30,300 --> 02:07:26,680
up in the air of the altitude but for

2420
02:07:33,930 --> 02:07:30,310
them to turn around what bird if it was

2421
02:07:38,220 --> 02:07:33,940
a bird that you know is I don't know 50

2422
02:07:39,870 --> 02:07:38,230
feet a 50 foot blood that could turn

2423
02:07:42,660 --> 02:07:39,880
around and pass up a plane that's flying

2424
02:07:44,460 --> 02:07:42,670
at 200 miles an hour I don't know I

2425
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:44,470
don't know 150 miles an hour I don't

2426
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:46,650
know I just don't know what it could be

2427
02:07:54,570 --> 02:07:50,490
it's a that is an incredible set of

2428
02:07:57,150 --> 02:07:54,580
footage right there and but he breaks it

2429
02:08:00,660 --> 02:07:57,160
down in the book really really well that

2430
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:00,670
is just absolutely incredible there was

2431
02:08:09,780 --> 02:08:06,130
something else here that yeah okay he

2432
02:08:12,510 --> 02:08:09,790
breaks this down in the book to somebody

2433
02:08:15,660 --> 02:08:12,520
might you need to go and look at this

2434
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:15,670
original footage because the frames and

2435
02:08:18,630 --> 02:08:17,170
the stills that are in the book are

2436
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:18,640
great you can break it down you can

2437
02:08:24,690 --> 02:08:21,010
invert it you can see all of it when you

2438
02:08:27,630 --> 02:08:24,700
see the original footage on his on his a

2439
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:27,640
youtube channel then it all it all

2440
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:30,880
becomes crystal clear at that point why

2441
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:33,280
why he is so impressed with it that is

2442
02:08:38,650 --> 02:08:35,890
an incredible incredible piece of

2443
02:08:41,500 --> 02:08:38,660
footage alright

2444
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:41,510
three two three eight two five five zero

2445
02:08:48,430 --> 02:08:44,930
four five or three two three two seven

2446
02:08:52,380 --> 02:08:48,440
five nine six nine five I'm looking at

2447
02:08:58,510 --> 02:08:52,390
this image here I'm gonna retweet it now

2448
02:09:08,110 --> 02:08:58,520
of this triangle that was photographed

2449
02:09:11,860 --> 02:09:08,120
over castle Germany and Tirana what do

2450
02:09:16,150 --> 02:09:11,870
you think of this what do you think I

2451
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:16,160
need to see this do we have other do we

2452
02:09:22,530 --> 02:09:19,360
have any enlargements of this this was a

2453
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:22,540
26th of June 2014

2454
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:27,170
allegedly but let me see here search

2455
02:09:41,020 --> 02:09:29,930
Google for image let's see what we come

2456
02:09:42,700 --> 02:09:41,030
up with yeah here's the okay see what we

2457
02:09:46,510 --> 02:09:42,710
have here I want to see I need to see a

2458
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:46,520
close-up I need to see a close-up of

2459
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:50,090
this I still don't have one the fact

2460
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:51,920
that the person blurred out the face of

2461
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:53,690
the kid and did get the UFO dead center

2462
02:10:01,420 --> 02:09:55,280
of the video oh it's a video

2463
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:01,430
okay huh frame from the viral video

2464
02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:02,810
claiming to show you a phone this guy

2465
02:10:13,130 --> 02:10:07,310
over Germany where is the original link

2466
02:10:25,070 --> 02:10:19,280
let's see okay yeah I'm looking at an

2467
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enlargement here okay

2468
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yeah read I've opened up the phone lines

2469
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2470
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2471
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2472
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two seven five nine six nine five phone

2473
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lines are open

2474
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2475
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quick break and take your phone calls

2476
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next this is fade to black I'm Yours

2477
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Jimmy Church I'm the game changer

2478
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network in kg RA the planet phone line

2479
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2480
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2481
02:11:00,050 --> 02:10:57,690
four three two three two seven five nine

2482
02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:00,060
six nine five I'll be right back this is

2483
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:01,330
fade to black

2484
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2485
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getting old has its perks but remember

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well we can't turn back the clocks and

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born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ

2561
02:15:14,030 --> 02:15:25,810
[Music]

2562
02:15:25,820 --> 02:15:30,430
welcome back fade to black

2563
02:15:36,260 --> 02:15:32,689
I'm your Jimmy Church follow me on

2564
02:15:39,590 --> 02:15:36,270
Twitter at JD Radio email is Jimmy at

2565
02:15:42,170 --> 02:15:39,600
Jimmy Church radio calm I had to go back

2566
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:42,180
and look at some of these images really

2567
02:15:48,890 --> 02:15:43,770
quick I didn't want to do it live on the

2568
02:15:50,720 --> 02:15:48,900
air but absolutely amazing stuff and the

2569
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:50,730
the book is amazing

2570
02:15:56,570 --> 02:15:53,760
Jason Gleaves and you need to check it

2571
02:15:58,340 --> 02:15:56,580
out UFO photos commute computer analysis

2572
02:16:00,430 --> 02:15:58,350
from around the world and through the

2573
02:16:03,530 --> 02:16:00,440
decades and you can find it on Amazon

2574
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:03,540
I've opened up the phone lines three two

2575
02:16:07,810 --> 02:16:05,250
three eight to five five zero four five

2576
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:07,820
or three two three two seven five nine

2577
02:16:15,110 --> 02:16:12,000
six nine five and yeah I do want to talk

2578
02:16:19,459 --> 02:16:15,120
about your favorite photograph you know

2579
02:16:23,630 --> 02:16:19,469
the one singular one we all have you

2580
02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:23,640
know the one or the two and for me it's

2581
02:16:31,790 --> 02:16:27,890
the roads photographs out of Phoenix in

2582
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:31,800
1947 and of course the Rex Heflin

2583
02:16:37,850 --> 02:16:33,689
photographs from Santa Ana

2584
02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:37,860
I think 1965 there's plenty of great

2585
02:16:43,820 --> 02:16:39,650
images out there over the years but

2586
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:43,830
those are the two that and if they go

2587
02:16:50,169 --> 02:16:46,650
back to when I was a kid and I used to

2588
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:50,179
always see those photographs in in

2589
02:16:56,450 --> 02:16:54,330
encyclopedias and and UFO magazines and

2590
02:16:58,879 --> 02:16:56,460
books and stuff so it goes back to my

2591
02:17:00,410 --> 02:16:58,889
childhood so with that let's go to the

2592
02:17:02,270 --> 02:17:00,420
phones of course we can talk about art

2593
02:17:05,179 --> 02:17:02,280
Bell and the passing of our we can do

2594
02:17:08,990 --> 02:17:05,189
that all the breaking news that is going

2595
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:09,000
on and the launching of tests if they're

2596
02:17:14,990 --> 02:17:11,450
there guessing that they are gonna

2597
02:17:17,450 --> 02:17:15,000
discover another 2,000 exoplanets in a

2598
02:17:19,459 --> 02:17:17,460
two year period think about that double

2599
02:17:21,730 --> 02:17:19,469
right let's go to the phones hi you're

2600
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:21,740
live on fade to black who's calling

2601
02:17:27,500 --> 02:17:24,479
welcome spectrum on oh hi Deb how are

2602
02:17:29,870 --> 02:17:27,510
you good Jimmy was a great show with

2603
02:17:34,310 --> 02:17:29,880
Jason really enjoy it yeah he's great

2604
02:17:36,410 --> 02:17:34,320
yeah the book is incredible mm-hmm well

2605
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:36,420
I think that limits in my mind because

2606
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:38,250
I've seen it so much over the years is

2607
02:17:43,759 --> 02:17:39,210
the Battle of

2608
02:17:46,250 --> 02:17:43,769
Angeles and I think you know it's

2609
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:46,260
probably extraterrestrial I bet I know

2610
02:17:54,679 --> 02:17:50,250
it came from though yeah of the

2611
02:18:00,740 --> 02:17:54,689
underwater base in Malibu which is you

2612
02:18:04,370 --> 02:18:00,750
know from where that's probably I'm

2613
02:18:07,580 --> 02:18:04,380
gonna I've kind of maybe maybe eight or

2614
02:18:10,009 --> 02:18:07,590
ten miles away it may be closer than

2615
02:18:11,150 --> 02:18:10,019
that I would have to look but it's you

2616
02:18:14,330 --> 02:18:11,160
know it's right next to Santa Monica

2617
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:14,340
where the start of the battle of Los

2618
02:18:21,290 --> 02:18:18,719
Angeles kicked off but very very close

2619
02:18:23,839 --> 02:18:21,300
and they've been talking about you know

2620
02:18:27,290 --> 02:18:23,849
some type of underwater situation there

2621
02:18:29,299 --> 02:18:27,300
between Catalina and and Santa Monica

2622
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:29,309
for for years and years and years

2623
02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:31,170
they've they've been looking there spend

2624
02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:32,969
a lot of underwater activity as well as

2625
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:37,170
above the water so yeah yeah there there

2626
02:18:42,290 --> 02:18:40,080
could be a connection there what did you

2627
02:18:44,059 --> 02:18:42,300
yeah when you see the battle of Los

2628
02:18:53,719 --> 02:18:44,069
Angeles photograph what do you think of

2629
02:18:56,750 --> 02:18:53,729
what what what shape do you see a corner

2630
02:19:01,339 --> 02:18:56,760
with right turn about the diamonds

2631
02:19:03,049 --> 02:19:01,349
yeah I was listening tonight I didn't

2632
02:19:04,910 --> 02:19:03,059
have my laptop I was listening on my

2633
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:04,920
phone so I didn't get to see the image

2634
02:19:12,169 --> 02:19:08,160
that he had you know perfected no we did

2635
02:19:14,030 --> 02:19:12,179
yeah we didn't post it either yeah I

2636
02:19:16,939 --> 02:19:14,040
couldn't pull the images out of the book

2637
02:19:19,219 --> 02:19:16,949
plus those are his copyrighted images

2638
02:19:22,519 --> 02:19:19,229
out of a book that was just published

2639
02:19:25,219 --> 02:19:22,529
you know last week so I don't think it's

2640
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:25,229
too copper to post his best stuff up on

2641
02:19:32,059 --> 02:19:27,689
on YouTube you know it's just not cool

2642
02:19:37,129 --> 02:19:32,069
but his his analysis the best way that I

2643
02:19:39,740 --> 02:19:37,139
can describe it because I when I got to

2644
02:19:44,059 --> 02:19:39,750
that section of the book I have always

2645
02:19:46,490 --> 02:19:44,069
in my mind's eye had a black diamond up

2646
02:19:48,889 --> 02:19:46,500
there that's what I and I'd seen in a

2647
02:19:51,710 --> 02:19:48,899
different analysis over the years always

2648
02:19:52,910 --> 02:19:51,720
a black diamond shape the way that he

2649
02:19:56,599 --> 02:19:52,920
breaks it down here

2650
02:20:00,290 --> 02:19:56,609
it ain't even close to that it's not I

2651
02:20:03,950 --> 02:20:00,300
couldn't believe my eyes and I don't

2652
02:20:07,960 --> 02:20:03,960
know how to I don't know how to describe

2653
02:20:12,260 --> 02:20:07,970
it i I don't you know what think of

2654
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:12,270
think of the movie alien you know that

2655
02:20:25,939 --> 02:20:21,330
organic smooth aluminum you know not not

2656
02:20:29,899 --> 02:20:25,949
Chrome you know that that that that look

2657
02:20:33,080 --> 02:20:29,909
that look and feel right it's it's

2658
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:33,090
bizarre it's bizarre it's organic it's

2659
02:20:39,290 --> 02:20:37,050
metallic and it's it's like what was the

2660
02:20:41,630 --> 02:20:39,300
artist name that did the movie alien

2661
02:20:46,610 --> 02:20:41,640
I always forget his name but it's got

2662
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:46,620
that look it's got that look well I'm

2663
02:20:49,729 --> 02:20:48,330
gonna have to get his breath I'm

2664
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:49,739
definitely going to order it because

2665
02:20:54,260 --> 02:20:51,930
yeah these images they sound fascinating

2666
02:20:56,240 --> 02:20:54,270
and I want to see him yeah yeah it's uh

2667
02:20:59,120 --> 02:20:56,250
it's really well done

2668
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:59,130
and he breaks it down now he he he'll

2669
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:00,960
break hearts too there's a couple of

2670
02:21:08,229 --> 02:21:04,770
photographs in there well more than more

2671
02:21:13,429 --> 02:21:08,239
than a couple that that are very famous

2672
02:21:15,080 --> 02:21:13,439
that he clearly does not think they were

2673
02:21:18,830 --> 02:21:15,090
UFOs I don't want to give it away

2674
02:21:21,559 --> 02:21:18,840
I don't but one of them I have looked at

2675
02:21:23,269 --> 02:21:21,569
for years and years and years and so

2676
02:21:25,219 --> 02:21:23,279
you've got to get the book I highly

2677
02:21:30,679 --> 02:21:25,229
recommend it I don't do that often but

2678
02:21:35,590 --> 02:21:30,689
the book is really good no no no no no

2679
02:21:43,099 --> 02:21:40,040
1965 or 66 I can tell you I can tell you

2680
02:21:45,559 --> 02:21:43,109
this well I mean oh he does it on a few

2681
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:45,569
photographs but one that comes to mind

2682
02:21:49,899 --> 02:21:48,560
it's a color photograph and

2683
02:21:51,639 --> 02:21:49,909
[Music]

2684
02:21:56,139 --> 02:21:51,649
you know what I can't give it away you

2685
02:21:58,769 --> 02:21:56,149
gotta get the book just get the book

2686
02:22:01,120 --> 02:21:58,779
just get them but thank you Deb

2687
02:22:03,340 --> 02:22:01,130
absolutely Jimmy take care have a great

2688
02:22:08,769 --> 02:22:03,350
night

2689
02:22:19,359 --> 02:22:08,779
Deb from Sacramento 3 2 3 8 2 5 5 0 4 5

2690
02:22:24,729 --> 02:22:19,369
or 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 and so yeah the

2691
02:22:26,679 --> 02:22:24,739
reason the reason why and I like doing

2692
02:22:30,790 --> 02:22:26,689
this a lot I do this on the show quite a

2693
02:22:34,990 --> 02:22:30,800
bit talking about your favorite UFO

2694
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:35,000
photographs the for me when I go back

2695
02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:37,430
and I think about my childhood and the

2696
02:22:47,590 --> 02:22:44,170
I remember in elementary school I'm

2697
02:22:52,359 --> 02:22:47,600
talking about 3rd grade second grade

2698
02:22:57,370 --> 02:22:52,369
third grade so we're talking about 69 70

2699
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:57,380
71 72 and we had moved a couple of times

2700
02:23:02,580 --> 02:23:00,319
a couple of army bases and stuff and and

2701
02:23:05,319 --> 02:23:02,590
went from Michigan back to Fort Sheridan

2702
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:05,329
and and we popped through a few houses

2703
02:23:11,319 --> 02:23:08,720
so I had the opportunity to go to a few

2704
02:23:14,260 --> 02:23:11,329
different schools and at that time with

2705
02:23:16,929 --> 02:23:14,270
Star Trek and lost in space which by the

2706
02:23:20,550 --> 02:23:16,939
way we just finished that series of the

2707
02:23:28,210 --> 02:23:24,939
UFOs Ron my mind and I would go to the

2708
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:28,220
library edit at a at a new school first

2709
02:23:32,889 --> 02:23:30,770
thing man I go to the use and I would

2710
02:23:34,899 --> 02:23:32,899
look up UFOs and and pull out these

2711
02:23:38,700 --> 02:23:34,909
books I'm talking about third grade

2712
02:23:42,639 --> 02:23:38,710
fourth grade and there were pictures in

2713
02:23:46,769 --> 02:23:42,649
these publications that have stuck with

2714
02:23:50,139 --> 02:23:46,779
me over the years one of those pictures

2715
02:23:54,700 --> 02:23:50,149
well a few but one of those he debunks

2716
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:54,710
and I remember what I looking at this

2717
02:23:59,170 --> 02:23:57,680
one particular image and again I don't

2718
02:24:00,819 --> 02:23:59,180
want to give it away it was color and

2719
02:24:02,270 --> 02:24:00,829
ivory always remember looking at that

2720
02:24:06,261 --> 02:24:02,280
when I was a kid go

2721
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:06,271
you know I'm not buying into this

2722
02:24:15,890 --> 02:24:10,050
there's something about this image that

2723
02:24:17,660 --> 02:24:15,900
doesn't feel UFO to me okay you gotta

2724
02:24:22,220 --> 02:24:17,670
buy the book hi your life I'm fade to

2725
02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:22,230
black who's calling from Seattle hey

2726
02:24:28,341 --> 02:24:26,130
Karen how are you I'm doing great one of

2727
02:24:32,120 --> 02:24:28,351
my favorite topics was going on tonight

2728
02:24:34,251 --> 02:24:32,130
spa graffiti I know I was about right so

2729
02:24:37,091 --> 02:24:34,261
I just wanted to make a comment about

2730
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:37,101
those really old photos you know the

2731
02:24:45,980 --> 02:24:41,730
1800s Early 1900s especially the ones

2732
02:24:49,370 --> 02:24:45,990
the 1800s that's all glass plate wet

2733
02:24:51,921 --> 02:24:49,380
photography right there there's nothing

2734
02:24:54,501 --> 02:24:51,931
there's nothing you're gonna do to fake

2735
02:24:56,751 --> 02:24:54,511
that unless you etch something into a

2736
02:25:00,620 --> 02:24:56,761
glass plate which is going to be

2737
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:00,630
completely obvious so what you had to do

2738
02:25:04,820 --> 02:25:02,250
back then is you would take a glass

2739
02:25:09,620 --> 02:25:04,830
plate and in a darkroom you would smear

2740
02:25:12,020 --> 02:25:09,630
this toxic emotion over the plate put it

2741
02:25:13,310 --> 02:25:12,030
in something dark load it up into like

2742
02:25:15,290 --> 02:25:13,320
an 8 by 10

2743
02:25:19,190 --> 02:25:15,300
camera one of those things are the big

2744
02:25:23,381 --> 02:25:19,200
fellows in the middle of it and take an

2745
02:25:28,580 --> 02:25:23,391
image 4 minutes that's not you know

2746
02:25:37,131 --> 02:25:28,590
125th of a second at f/16 that's 5

2747
02:25:41,530 --> 02:25:37,141
minutes at f/4 and pray nothing moved so

2748
02:25:48,261 --> 02:25:41,540
the fact that somebody captured that on

2749
02:25:52,131 --> 02:25:48,271
wet plate negatives is a bounding yes it

2750
02:25:56,990 --> 02:25:52,141
is astounding and I worked in a darkroom

2751
02:25:59,540 --> 02:25:57,000
for years and so when I say I mean that

2752
02:26:02,841 --> 02:25:59,550
was my job right so I'm in there with a

2753
02:26:06,020 --> 02:26:02,851
stat Cameron I'm enlarging and and half

2754
02:26:09,140 --> 02:26:06,030
toning and retouching and you know some

2755
02:26:11,420 --> 02:26:09,150
of some of our film was you know 20 by

2756
02:26:13,340 --> 02:26:11,430
30 inches and

2757
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,350
and I had a huge processor right there

2758
02:26:18,380 --> 02:26:15,600
and then that we would do color imaging

2759
02:26:21,199 --> 02:26:18,390
too but I had trays I had an automatic

2760
02:26:24,439 --> 02:26:21,209
processor but I also a trays with with a

2761
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:24,449
developer in it and and hanging stuff

2762
02:26:28,429 --> 02:26:26,130
just like you see in the movies right

2763
02:26:33,139 --> 02:26:28,439
with the red light and all of that right

2764
02:26:36,559 --> 02:26:33,149
and so when we are tie I understand what

2765
02:26:40,130 --> 02:26:36,569
what a negative is and and how you can

2766
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:40,140
really you may you try to touch up a

2767
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:42,090
negative you scratch it you're done

2768
02:26:49,489 --> 02:26:46,319
right if you know anything that is

2769
02:26:53,960 --> 02:26:49,499
outside of the original image it is so

2770
02:26:55,909 --> 02:26:53,970
obvious you know it is just especially

2771
02:26:57,319 --> 02:26:55,919
with my eyes so when you go back to

2772
02:27:00,979 --> 02:26:57,329
these old photographs like you're

2773
02:27:03,170 --> 02:27:00,989
talking about where a one-minute

2774
02:27:05,989 --> 02:27:03,180
exposure time one of the reasons why

2775
02:27:09,429 --> 02:27:05,999
everybody looked pissed off in those old

2776
02:27:12,590 --> 02:27:09,439
photographs is because they were

2777
02:27:15,199 --> 02:27:12,600
standing there standing there for two

2778
02:27:17,929 --> 02:27:15,209
minutes in the stoic position right and

2779
02:27:22,069 --> 02:27:17,939
you can't they never smiled because you

2780
02:27:23,899 --> 02:27:22,079
couldn't smile for two minutes the other

2781
02:27:27,229 --> 02:27:23,909
thing when you look at photographs of

2782
02:27:28,939 --> 02:27:27,239
people their eyes look gray and it's

2783
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:28,949
because you can't keep your eyes open

2784
02:27:32,210 --> 02:27:30,479
for a long time so they would blink all

2785
02:27:35,569 --> 02:27:32,220
the way for the exposure that's right

2786
02:27:38,989 --> 02:27:35,579
that's right these are the facts yeah

2787
02:27:42,529 --> 02:27:38,999
and and so when he's this is what we

2788
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:42,539
need and in the community is stuff like

2789
02:27:47,859 --> 02:27:44,010
this when you're talking about this old

2790
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:47,869
kind of tog Rafi you can't fake that

2791
02:27:54,979 --> 02:27:53,010
you can't fake it have you not yeah when

2792
02:28:02,179 --> 02:27:54,989
you look at do you have a favorite

2793
02:28:03,739 --> 02:28:02,189
photograph from those days I can't think

2794
02:28:06,949 --> 02:28:03,749
of where it is or where I saw it

2795
02:28:09,559 --> 02:28:06,959
it's an old Civil War photograph right

2796
02:28:11,809 --> 02:28:09,569
and they were shooting I mean there were

2797
02:28:13,909 --> 02:28:11,819
just hundreds and hundreds of bodies and

2798
02:28:17,510 --> 02:28:13,919
they were you know they're shooting the

2799
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:17,520
carnage and up in the clouds you can see

2800
02:28:24,889 --> 02:28:22,050
a disc oh I haven't seen that if I could

2801
02:28:26,569 --> 02:28:24,899
if if I could find that I would

2802
02:28:28,429 --> 02:28:26,579
send it to you and her yeah post it on

2803
02:28:32,359 --> 02:28:28,439
the water yeah post it on Twitter I

2804
02:28:39,859 --> 02:28:32,369
would love to see that that's oh that I

2805
02:28:41,630 --> 02:28:39,869
saw that and I was like years years ago

2806
02:28:43,340 --> 02:28:41,640
on fade to black hair and I know I don't

2807
02:28:45,229 --> 02:28:43,350
want to interrupt you but so save that

2808
02:28:47,630 --> 02:28:45,239
thought come back to me with it well

2809
02:28:51,529 --> 02:28:47,640
years ago I'm fade to black

2810
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:51,539
I had a I can't remember his name right

2811
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:52,800
now it'll come to me

2812
02:29:00,139 --> 02:28:56,640
that had this huge photograph collection

2813
02:29:02,590 --> 02:29:00,149
of UFOs and he had an eBay store and

2814
02:29:07,069 --> 02:29:02,600
stuff and he had this one photograph of

2815
02:29:09,380 --> 02:29:07,079
this disc in France and it was of a

2816
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:09,390
mansion and it was a picture of this you

2817
02:29:15,639 --> 02:29:12,090
know this mansion on this hill with this

2818
02:29:17,449 --> 02:29:15,649
car in front and I think it was taken in

2819
02:29:20,090 --> 02:29:17,459
1920 1930

2820
02:29:22,370 --> 02:29:20,100
in the background up in the sky one of

2821
02:29:25,699 --> 02:29:22,380
the most gnarliest coolest looking

2822
02:29:28,969 --> 02:29:25,709
flying saucers you've ever seen crystal

2823
02:29:31,159 --> 02:29:28,979
clear in color and he's got the original

2824
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:31,169
he's got the original photograph and it

2825
02:29:38,659 --> 02:29:35,010
was I think he said it was a 12 inch by

2826
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:38,669
18 inch plate you know just a huge pot

2827
02:29:44,300 --> 02:29:41,449
12 by 18 plate so you've got this in

2828
02:29:48,500 --> 02:29:44,310
high-res you know what I mean it's just

2829
02:29:51,380 --> 02:29:48,510
a high-res shot but one of my favorites

2830
02:29:56,239 --> 02:29:51,390
one of my favorite pictures is the one

2831
02:29:59,569 --> 02:29:56,249
in Beijing from the 1930s and it's of

2832
02:30:02,000 --> 02:29:59,579
this street this market in Beijing where

2833
02:30:04,880 --> 02:30:02,010
everybody on the street is looking at

2834
02:30:06,380 --> 02:30:04,890
this UFO down at the end of the street

2835
02:30:08,620 --> 02:30:06,390
up in the up of the sky and they're

2836
02:30:13,580 --> 02:30:08,630
pointing at it and looking at it and

2837
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:13,590
clearly a flying object not an airplane

2838
02:30:18,649 --> 02:30:16,770
or anything else and you can see in the

2839
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:18,659
photograph the dating of it you know

2840
02:30:24,649 --> 02:30:20,640
because I don't even know there might be

2841
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:24,659
some cars but it's it's old and that is

2842
02:30:31,760 --> 02:30:29,369
is RH Geiger that's the name of the

2843
02:30:35,389 --> 02:30:31,770
artist from alien I was trying to think

2844
02:30:38,511 --> 02:30:35,399
of but yeah and those old photographs

2845
02:30:44,211 --> 02:30:38,521
when you look at those I know

2846
02:30:45,140 --> 02:30:44,221
that it's not easy to fake yeah man John

2847
02:30:48,261 --> 02:30:45,150
is quick

2848
02:30:50,631 --> 02:30:48,271
yeah it's horse and buggies in it yeah I

2849
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:50,641
didn't think there were cars but look at

2850
02:30:56,180 --> 02:30:52,530
this and you look at everybody and that

2851
02:31:00,411 --> 02:30:56,190
is clearly thank you for this John I'm

2852
02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:00,421
going to I'm gonna retweet that that I

2853
02:31:04,701 --> 02:31:02,370
don't know what to I don't know how to

2854
02:31:07,640 --> 02:31:04,711
explain it that is one of my favorite

2855
02:31:09,171 --> 02:31:07,650
photographs of all time right there are

2856
02:31:16,030 --> 02:31:09,181
you are you looking at this on Twitter

2857
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:16,040
Karen Twitter yes oh it's on f2b

2858
02:31:22,251 --> 02:31:21,690
but I have no idea I have no idea what

2859
02:31:25,011 --> 02:31:22,261
that is

2860
02:31:28,011 --> 02:31:25,021
that's absolutely incredible well

2861
02:31:31,581 --> 02:31:28,021
alright yeah go ahead and whatever what

2862
02:31:34,701 --> 02:31:31,591
I was gonna say is having used those 4

2863
02:31:36,801 --> 02:31:34,711
by 5 cameras for I mean four by five was

2864
02:31:39,801 --> 02:31:36,811
to me it was my small my small format

2865
02:31:44,690 --> 02:31:39,811
camera I use those for 20 years taking

2866
02:31:45,890 --> 02:31:44,700
pictures back then I you know I used to

2867
02:31:47,331 --> 02:31:45,900
look at these versions and say how did

2868
02:31:50,470 --> 02:31:47,341
they not notice how did they not notice

2869
02:31:55,430 --> 02:31:50,480
until I started using them Escada see

2870
02:31:57,831 --> 02:31:55,440
you are so busy with the lens and the

2871
02:32:00,860 --> 02:31:57,841
bellows and figuring out reciprocity and

2872
02:32:02,631 --> 02:32:00,870
loading up the film and realizing that

2873
02:32:04,581 --> 02:32:02,641
your camera is slowly sinking on one

2874
02:32:06,860 --> 02:32:04,591
side on the tripod you gotta reframe

2875
02:32:08,871 --> 02:32:06,870
okay you don't have time to look around

2876
02:32:11,871 --> 02:32:08,881
and see if you're about to shoot a UFO

2877
02:32:17,961 --> 02:32:11,881
and you get in the darkroom I can only

2878
02:32:20,570 --> 02:32:17,971
imagine oh my god stupid bird of that

2879
02:32:23,980 --> 02:32:20,580
just ruin my shot and so these guys

2880
02:32:27,770 --> 02:32:23,990
probably took these brass plates and

2881
02:32:29,480 --> 02:32:27,780
broke them just can't reuse them and I

2882
02:32:32,030 --> 02:32:29,490
just think you know what kind of

2883
02:32:36,251 --> 02:32:32,040
evidence they have destroyed in a in a

2884
02:32:41,570 --> 02:32:36,261
sort of anger something in the cloud

2885
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:41,580
yeah and they never thought about et

2886
02:32:46,671 --> 02:32:44,490
they never thought about so anomaly

2887
02:32:50,490 --> 02:32:46,681
something really cool that they captured

2888
02:32:53,490 --> 02:32:50,500
the moment instead the plate was raw

2889
02:32:57,300 --> 02:32:53,500
and they're done they can't you know

2890
02:33:00,120 --> 02:32:57,310
whoever the the customer was now they

2891
02:33:04,019 --> 02:33:00,130
can't sell it nobody wants some blemish

2892
02:33:06,120 --> 02:33:04,029
in right so they you know in the garbage

2893
02:33:08,340 --> 02:33:06,130
in the garbage it goes or you know they

2894
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:08,350
reuse the glass plates they clean it off

2895
02:33:15,479 --> 02:33:11,920
and and put fresh emulsion on it and

2896
02:33:17,250 --> 02:33:15,489
then shoot another image yeah but you

2897
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:17,260
can only do that if it's wet because

2898
02:33:22,979 --> 02:33:19,600
once it process through the image would

2899
02:33:25,469 --> 02:33:22,989
actually the acids would itch down into

2900
02:33:28,110 --> 02:33:25,479
the surface of the glass right right and

2901
02:33:29,580 --> 02:33:28,120
so your plate was your plate was gone if

2902
02:33:32,460 --> 02:33:29,590
it went all the way through to dry oh

2903
02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:32,470
I'm looking at the civil war pig that I

2904
02:33:35,330 --> 02:33:34,210
think you're talking about yeah that's

2905
02:33:38,070 --> 02:33:35,340
pretty interesting

2906
02:33:44,040 --> 02:33:38,080
John just posted it is it the one with a

2907
02:33:48,389 --> 02:33:44,050
like a hotel in the picture no the one

2908
02:33:51,870 --> 02:33:48,399
that I was talking about had there was a

2909
02:33:53,820 --> 02:33:51,880
wagon like a meat wagon body wagon and

2910
02:33:57,269 --> 02:33:53,830
then there are dead bodies everywhere

2911
02:34:03,809 --> 02:33:57,279
and the turfs was all blown up from

2912
02:34:07,650 --> 02:34:03,819
cannon fire and horrible image yeah not

2913
02:34:10,530 --> 02:34:07,660
this that's not this image okay you

2914
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:10,540
gotta love the the fate or not they are

2915
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:18,510
thank you so much Karen for the phone

2916
02:34:27,900 --> 02:34:23,920
call and it I really enjoy speaking with

2917
02:34:31,370 --> 02:34:27,910
somebody that understands photography

2918
02:34:34,830 --> 02:34:31,380
and what the processes are because today

2919
02:34:37,469 --> 02:34:34,840
nobody knows you know it's a digital

2920
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:37,479
world it's a digital world I am so glad

2921
02:34:45,059 --> 02:34:42,250
that I had the experience of a light

2922
02:34:48,300 --> 02:34:45,069
table and opaque paint and jeweler's

2923
02:34:52,110 --> 02:34:48,310
loops and magnifiers and the darkroom

2924
02:34:54,330 --> 02:34:52,120
and boxes and boxes of film and and and

2925
02:34:57,840 --> 02:34:54,340
and and doing you know what I did

2926
02:35:02,099 --> 02:34:57,850
because I understand exactly the process

2927
02:35:03,969 --> 02:35:02,109
and that's it and and nobody understands

2928
02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:03,979
that today

2929
02:35:13,630 --> 02:35:08,930
the I enjoy the the ability to have a

2930
02:35:15,219 --> 02:35:13,640
digital camera of high res megapixels on

2931
02:35:16,750 --> 02:35:15,229
your cell phone and be able to go out

2932
02:35:19,660 --> 02:35:16,760
there and capture moments all day long I

2933
02:35:21,460 --> 02:35:19,670
totally get that but and it's getting

2934
02:35:26,110 --> 02:35:21,470
better and it's getting better but there

2935
02:35:30,580 --> 02:35:26,120
is nothing like film and film does not

2936
02:35:34,450 --> 02:35:30,590
lie and if you try to alter a negative

2937
02:35:36,370 --> 02:35:34,460
you ruin it that's it you can't retake

2938
02:35:39,400 --> 02:35:36,380
the photograph so the negative is

2939
02:35:41,650 --> 02:35:39,410
damaged forever and so when you go back

2940
02:35:43,599 --> 02:35:41,660
and manipulate with a paintbrush or

2941
02:35:45,790 --> 02:35:43,609
airbrush there were some guys that and

2942
02:35:48,730 --> 02:35:45,800
gals that were really good at doing it

2943
02:35:52,540 --> 02:35:48,740
but you can always tell I can always

2944
02:35:57,580 --> 02:35:52,550
tell that edge there was always that

2945
02:36:00,639 --> 02:35:57,590
edge I'd you know four years of college

2946
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:00,649
and every single quarter included a

2947
02:36:06,990 --> 02:36:04,490
retouch class and you go from you know

2948
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:07,000
just trying to touch out dots to

2949
02:36:11,710 --> 02:36:10,250
actually trying to carve something into

2950
02:36:16,300 --> 02:36:11,720
the emulsion without ruining everything

2951
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:16,310
right and you know and so her years and

2952
02:36:23,170 --> 02:36:20,000
years and years I retouched and it I

2953
02:36:26,080 --> 02:36:23,180
mean you can make flaws go away but you

2954
02:36:29,380 --> 02:36:26,090
can't add anything no you can't you

2955
02:36:31,960 --> 02:36:29,390
cannot do that and I used to I got

2956
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:31,970
really good with an exacto knife an

2957
02:36:36,910 --> 02:36:35,210
emulsion right and I could go in and

2958
02:36:39,849 --> 02:36:36,920
yeah you're right especially with the

2959
02:36:42,969 --> 02:36:39,859
negative and and and removing a dot or

2960
02:36:46,690 --> 02:36:42,979
removing a piece of hair you can do that

2961
02:36:49,330 --> 02:36:46,700
and get away with it or paint over with

2962
02:36:51,790 --> 02:36:49,340
opaque paint and and and remove hair

2963
02:36:53,410 --> 02:36:51,800
remover you know dust and dots you could

2964
02:37:01,450 --> 02:36:53,420
do that but if you wanted to add a

2965
02:37:03,820 --> 02:37:01,460
flying saucer nope and if you add it to

2966
02:37:06,610 --> 02:37:03,830
the the the photograph itself and then

2967
02:37:08,920 --> 02:37:06,620
we you know reshoot the photograph which

2968
02:37:11,170 --> 02:37:08,930
I've done I've done this many times but

2969
02:37:14,620 --> 02:37:11,180
now it's it's it's slightly out of focus

2970
02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:14,630
you can see the generation run the

2971
02:37:19,770 --> 02:37:16,330
cleanliness has gone and the

2972
02:37:23,011 --> 02:37:19,780
clearness is all gone and and if you can

2973
02:37:26,551 --> 02:37:23,021
a be and look at the original versus the

2974
02:37:30,801 --> 02:37:26,561
the second-generation shot it's it's

2975
02:37:33,570 --> 02:37:30,811
obvious so I love these first-generation

2976
02:37:36,301 --> 02:37:33,580
photographs I just love it and I look at

2977
02:37:39,780 --> 02:37:36,311
it and it looks natural to me and and

2978
02:37:43,380 --> 02:37:39,790
that's it but today most don't

2979
02:37:46,140 --> 02:37:43,390
understand what what the processes were

2980
02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:46,150
that you had to go through back then to

2981
02:37:51,540 --> 02:37:48,610
fake something it was hard it was hard

2982
02:37:53,850 --> 02:37:51,550
it was nearly impossible yeah nearly

2983
02:37:54,450 --> 02:37:53,860
impossible to fake Karen thank you for

2984
02:37:57,840 --> 02:37:54,460
the phone call

2985
02:37:59,960 --> 02:37:57,850
great phone call hey thank you have a

2986
02:38:01,770 --> 02:37:59,970
great night we'll see you tomorrow night

2987
02:38:05,130 --> 02:38:01,780
bye-bye

2988
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:05,140
and I can't be any more clear than that

2989
02:38:13,490 --> 02:38:09,760
my experience I spent years in the

2990
02:38:16,051 --> 02:38:13,500
darkroom years I spent years in

2991
02:38:21,350 --> 02:38:16,061
Indianapolis in dark rooms all over that

2992
02:38:27,660 --> 02:38:21,360
city Memphis California it's what I did

2993
02:38:31,500 --> 02:38:27,670
my job was to photograph stat camera

2994
02:38:33,540 --> 02:38:31,510
other images and and touch them up and

2995
02:38:36,990 --> 02:38:33,550
prep things for production whether it

2996
02:38:40,530 --> 02:38:37,000
was magazines whether it was something

2997
02:38:42,540 --> 02:38:40,540
like you know for manufacture whatever

2998
02:38:45,240 --> 02:38:42,550
that was my gig that was my job

2999
02:38:49,410 --> 02:38:45,250
so when you go through that and you

3000
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:49,420
spend so many years dealing with with

3001
02:38:57,261 --> 02:38:53,290
chemicals and film and and cameras and

3002
02:39:00,301 --> 02:38:57,271
red light no light in full color stuff

3003
02:39:02,790 --> 02:39:00,311
do you understand the processes and how

3004
02:39:05,820 --> 02:39:02,800
you can screw something up and once you

3005
02:39:09,540 --> 02:39:05,830
screw it up you can't get it back it's a

3006
02:39:12,270 --> 02:39:09,550
very very hard thing to do so I think in

3007
02:39:14,850 --> 02:39:12,280
my opinion the old days the old days

3008
02:39:19,360 --> 02:39:14,860
those are the best photographs the ones

3009
02:39:24,220 --> 02:39:21,830
digitally manipulated let's go to the

3010
02:39:33,020 --> 02:39:24,230
phones how your live on fade to black

3011
02:39:33,591 --> 02:39:33,030
hello mr. Jimmy my man I'm doing great

3012
02:39:37,131 --> 02:39:33,601
man

3013
02:39:39,290 --> 02:39:37,141
and how are you Steve oh I feel much

3014
02:39:41,690 --> 02:39:39,300
better Jimmy I want to apologize for the

3015
02:39:43,671 --> 02:39:41,700
last time I called and I did not realize

3016
02:39:47,841 --> 02:39:43,681
how terrible I found it

3017
02:39:51,261 --> 02:39:47,851
why did you sound terrible Jimmy believe

3018
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:51,271
it or not I had this horrible sinus

3019
02:39:57,140 --> 02:39:54,000
infection first well it was better than

3020
02:40:06,501 --> 02:39:57,150
a week and I hate doctors okay

3021
02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:06,511
rhyming right can I repeat yep I nothing

3022
02:40:12,860 --> 02:40:09,050
nothing against them just does not go

3023
02:40:15,171 --> 02:40:12,870
and I'll just follow it and follow it

3024
02:40:17,780 --> 02:40:15,181
for a week and finally just said then

3025
02:40:20,660 --> 02:40:17,790
I've got to I've got break down and go

3026
02:40:24,290 --> 02:40:20,670
to a doctor and come to find out I had

3027
02:40:26,530 --> 02:40:24,300
walking the bone yet walking pneumonia

3028
02:40:29,660 --> 02:40:26,540
and you called him to fade to black

3029
02:40:33,921 --> 02:40:29,670
yeah that's funny and walking pneumonia

3030
02:40:35,650 --> 02:40:33,931
and had had it for the doctor said

3031
02:40:41,020 --> 02:40:35,660
probably had it for about three weeks

3032
02:40:44,990 --> 02:40:41,030
can I can I say this yeah ignore

3033
02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:45,000
normally you are clear you're concise

3034
02:40:53,540 --> 02:40:47,490
with your thoughts do you make your

3035
02:40:56,390 --> 02:40:53,550
points that night you sounded like you

3036
02:40:58,671 --> 02:40:56,400
took stupid pills you took a couple

3037
02:41:02,211 --> 02:40:58,681
stupid pills were you on stupid pills or

3038
02:41:04,700 --> 02:41:02,221
you didn't get those yet yeah I'm start

3039
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:04,710
taking some antibiotics but I didn't

3040
02:41:16,700 --> 02:41:15,210
think stupid yet so what did you do did

3041
02:41:23,551 --> 02:41:16,710
you go back and listen to the show and

3042
02:41:27,700 --> 02:41:25,750
it's alright bandits alright

3043
02:41:30,340 --> 02:41:27,710
ai-ai-ai-aight honestly thought that you

3044
02:41:31,900 --> 02:41:30,350
had a cold I I didn't think it just

3045
02:41:33,700 --> 02:41:31,910
that's you know you just sounded like

3046
02:41:35,710 --> 02:41:33,710
you were tired you had worked all day

3047
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:35,720
and you you know you probably weren't

3048
02:41:43,090 --> 02:41:40,010
feeling too well and so I enjoyed it I

3049
02:41:45,460 --> 02:41:43,100
just said okay man Steve what's on your

3050
02:41:47,710 --> 02:41:45,470
mind so there you go

3051
02:41:52,810 --> 02:41:47,720
what's your favorite UFO photograph of

3052
02:41:57,370 --> 02:41:52,820
all time Steve Jimmy there's so many I

3053
02:41:59,080 --> 02:41:57,380
mean God I mean I like the one that yeah

3054
02:42:02,290 --> 02:41:59,090
I guess the very first one that when

3055
02:42:06,610 --> 02:42:02,300
they they turned the word saucer you

3056
02:42:08,020 --> 02:42:06,620
know with the the ones that looked like

3057
02:42:13,270 --> 02:42:08,030
they were when they said they look like

3058
02:42:15,430 --> 02:42:13,280
he was skipping across the pond no he

3059
02:42:17,261 --> 02:42:15,440
didn't actually get a chance yeah he

3060
02:42:22,030 --> 02:42:17,271
didn't actually get a chance to take

3061
02:42:25,090 --> 02:42:22,040
pictures but the week later those

3062
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:25,100
pictures were taken in Phoenix which

3063
02:42:33,130 --> 02:42:29,690
clearly looked like what he saw Kenneth

3064
02:42:37,570 --> 02:42:33,140
Arnold up there in Washington very

3065
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:37,580
similar and I'm not even sure maybe the

3066
02:42:44,920 --> 02:42:39,650
roads photographs were before Kenneth

3067
02:42:47,350 --> 02:42:44,930
Arnold they were all right around you

3068
02:42:49,570 --> 02:42:47,360
know the end of June going into July you

3069
02:42:51,190 --> 02:42:49,580
know that same they all happened right

3070
02:42:53,170 --> 02:42:51,200
on top of each other all the way into

3071
02:42:57,580 --> 02:42:53,180
Roswell right which was you know July

3072
02:42:59,230 --> 02:42:57,590
1st through July 4th so but the you may

3073
02:43:02,860 --> 02:42:59,240
be thinking of the roads photographs

3074
02:43:04,301 --> 02:43:02,870
from Phoenix but yeah I'm with you

3075
02:43:06,250 --> 02:43:04,311
why can't we get any of these

3076
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:06,260
photographs like from the Pentagon when

3077
02:43:11,290 --> 02:43:08,050
they want to finally release something

3078
02:43:16,660 --> 02:43:11,300
you know why can't we get good stuff

3079
02:43:17,980 --> 02:43:16,670
like you know that you know like you're

3080
02:43:21,011 --> 02:43:17,990
talking about with the feeling where you

3081
02:43:23,801 --> 02:43:21,021
can't you can't change anything why

3082
02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:23,811
can't we get like feeling quality

3083
02:43:32,620 --> 02:43:27,610
because you know the government has that

3084
02:43:36,591 --> 02:43:32,630
when UFOs on film yeah but but I'm oh

3085
02:43:42,830 --> 02:43:36,601
I'm wondering if there

3086
02:43:44,690 --> 02:43:42,840
is better stuff at the Pentagon than

3087
02:43:46,430 --> 02:43:44,700
what has been publicly released out

3088
02:43:52,180 --> 02:43:46,440
there that you know that people have

3089
02:43:55,791 --> 02:43:52,190
taken pictures of look we we all asked I

3090
02:43:59,150 --> 02:43:55,801
remember I posted on a forum back in the

3091
02:44:01,910 --> 02:43:59,160
early 90s you know probably 93 94

3092
02:44:08,001 --> 02:44:01,920
somewhere back in there I posted on the

3093
02:44:11,211 --> 02:44:08,011
forum I was like look where is the

3094
02:44:14,270 --> 02:44:11,221
close-up where is the close-up the you

3095
02:44:17,961 --> 02:44:14,280
know I'm gonna see rivets right I want

3096
02:44:22,280 --> 02:44:17,971
to see weld seams I want to see I want

3097
02:44:25,370 --> 02:44:22,290
to see space dust you know where is that

3098
02:44:27,171 --> 02:44:25,380
photograph I want to be the alien

3099
02:44:31,850 --> 02:44:27,181
hanging out the window with you know

3100
02:44:36,680 --> 02:44:31,860
with like piece on yeah where where are

3101
02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:36,690
those images you know the question is

3102
02:44:41,390 --> 02:44:40,170
you know do they exist and you know we

3103
02:44:44,961 --> 02:44:41,400
haven't had that yet

3104
02:44:51,220 --> 02:44:44,971
we've amazing amazing stuff I mean this

3105
02:44:53,751 --> 02:44:51,230
the the picture that I took which I'm

3106
02:44:55,341 --> 02:44:53,761
wondering keep talking Steve keep

3107
02:45:00,171 --> 02:44:55,351
talking just talk I'm gonna do something

3108
02:45:01,820 --> 02:45:00,181
keep talking okay well I mean I still I

3109
02:45:04,671 --> 02:45:01,830
got the one picture you know that you

3110
02:45:06,980 --> 02:45:04,681
saw that I that I tweeted the time of

3111
02:45:09,591 --> 02:45:06,990
the the triangle craft that crossed over

3112
02:45:12,051 --> 02:45:09,601
my house but it wasn't a very good

3113
02:45:15,350 --> 02:45:12,061
picture it turned out to be you know

3114
02:45:17,301 --> 02:45:15,360
blurry and not worth of doing but I

3115
02:45:23,450 --> 02:45:17,311
still saw what I saw

3116
02:45:26,680 --> 02:45:23,460
yeah I'm looking for and I don't have it

3117
02:45:30,261 --> 02:45:26,690
here I thought I had it easily

3118
02:45:38,841 --> 02:45:30,271
accessible right in front of me but I do

3119
02:45:41,511 --> 02:45:38,851
okay yeah I'm gonna carry yeah yeah I

3120
02:45:43,580 --> 02:45:41,521
was looking for my triangle shot and I

3121
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:43,590
was gonna hold it up to the camera and

3122
02:46:00,100 --> 02:45:54,410
if this is it here I took it out the

3123
02:46:03,800 --> 02:46:00,110
other day and I was looking at it and I

3124
02:46:04,520 --> 02:46:03,810
lost it I lost my triangle pick no it's

3125
02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:04,530
here somewhere

3126
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:06,090
I was gonna hold it up to the camera

3127
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:12,479
that you can't really see that it's a

3128
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:14,250
triangle it looks like just a little

3129
02:46:18,260 --> 02:46:15,930
black dot and if you were looking at

3130
02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:18,270
this image all you're looking at is a

3131
02:46:23,929 --> 02:46:20,970
picture of a cloud right and you would

3132
02:46:26,179 --> 02:46:23,939
never the only reason why I went back

3133
02:46:29,090 --> 02:46:26,189
and looked at that photograph because I

3134
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:29,100
remembered oh that's right there what's

3135
02:46:32,690 --> 02:46:31,050
that black dot moving across the sky and

3136
02:46:34,940 --> 02:46:32,700
I took the picture of it that's right

3137
02:46:36,650 --> 02:46:34,950
and so I went and and through the

3138
02:46:40,730 --> 02:46:36,660
jeweler's loupe on it and looked at it

3139
02:46:46,070 --> 02:46:40,740
and then you can see that it's a black

3140
02:46:49,400 --> 02:46:46,080
triangle way high fifty thousand feet

3141
02:46:51,770 --> 02:46:49,410
you can tell that it is a tiny it is

3142
02:46:54,950 --> 02:46:51,780
tinier in this photograph

3143
02:46:55,870 --> 02:46:54,960
it's like one-tenth the size of a

3144
02:46:58,370 --> 02:46:55,880
pinhead

3145
02:47:01,130 --> 02:46:58,380
okay that's all it is it's just like a

3146
02:47:02,929 --> 02:47:01,140
black dot but then you go and you lay

3147
02:47:04,929 --> 02:47:02,939
the jeweler's loupe on it and you can

3148
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:04,939
see that it's a it's a black triangle

3149
02:47:12,170 --> 02:47:07,850
equilateral looks like a pyramid you

3150
02:47:14,360 --> 02:47:12,180
know now is that the close-up shot that

3151
02:47:16,310 --> 02:47:14,370
every you know these are the photographs

3152
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:16,320
that were left with you know and this

3153
02:47:23,810 --> 02:47:20,160
was an honest this was shot on film with

3154
02:47:27,110 --> 02:47:23,820
a 35-millimeter camera you know just

3155
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:27,120
shot and done and it that's it it's it

3156
02:47:34,190 --> 02:47:30,479
it is what it is there's nothing else to

3157
02:47:36,290 --> 02:47:34,200
say about this I can't you know it

3158
02:47:39,469 --> 02:47:36,300
traveled so fast then it stopped and

3159
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:39,479
then went up into the clouds I couldn't

3160
02:47:44,179 --> 02:47:42,090
get off a second shot it happened so

3161
02:47:48,050 --> 02:47:44,189
quick so there was only I had to wind

3162
02:47:50,150 --> 02:47:48,060
the film right and so I think I had to

3163
02:47:53,600 --> 02:47:50,160
wind the film I can't remember why he

3164
02:47:56,480 --> 02:47:53,610
didn't take a second shot oh I pulled

3165
02:47:58,460 --> 02:47:56,490
the camera down to look because it was

3166
02:48:00,140 --> 02:47:58,470
moving so fast that's what it was and

3167
02:48:02,750 --> 02:48:00,150
then it stopped and then went up into

3168
02:48:03,650 --> 02:48:02,760
the clouds so there was no opportunity

3169
02:48:08,540 --> 02:48:03,660
for

3170
02:48:11,780 --> 02:48:08,550
me to take a second shot but the one

3171
02:48:15,620 --> 02:48:11,790
shot that I do have is this is it an up

3172
02:48:17,690 --> 02:48:15,630
close thing no you know and it makes you

3173
02:48:19,700 --> 02:48:17,700
wonder what what the Pentagon and the

3174
02:48:22,790 --> 02:48:19,710
CIA is sitting on because you know they

3175
02:48:23,060 --> 02:48:22,800
got the good stuff oh they got the good

3176
02:48:26,030 --> 02:48:23,070
stuff

3177
02:48:28,910 --> 02:48:26,040
Jimmy and they got so much of it it is

3178
02:48:32,330 --> 02:48:28,920
it's not like they've got a one little

3179
02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:32,340
folder you know that's got 15 images in

3180
02:48:38,780 --> 02:48:35,120
it I mean they've got thousands upon

3181
02:48:41,051 --> 02:48:38,790
thousands upon thousands of images they

3182
02:48:44,420 --> 02:48:41,061
do I mean I would hate to say just that

3183
02:48:48,680 --> 02:48:44,430
just the images alone that they have

3184
02:48:53,270 --> 02:48:48,690
from NASA from the International Space

3185
02:48:55,070 --> 02:48:53,280
Station is thousands thousands I do you

3186
02:48:58,700 --> 02:48:55,080
think about what Gary McKinnon said

3187
02:49:00,320 --> 02:48:58,710
right that it started to download the

3188
02:49:03,440 --> 02:49:00,330
image and he could see was that like a

3189
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:03,450
battle cruiser you know out in orbit

3190
02:49:07,761 --> 02:49:06,240
around the Earth and and the way that he

3191
02:49:10,250 --> 02:49:07,771
described it you know before they pulled

3192
02:49:11,660 --> 02:49:10,260
the plug and and busted him you know

3193
02:49:13,551 --> 02:49:11,670
somebody came on the screen and the

3194
02:49:18,020 --> 02:49:13,561
mouse started moving and they closed the

3195
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:18,030
screen down but that was a NASA Callisto

3196
02:49:22,610 --> 02:49:20,370
amazing Jimmy when we finally get this

3197
02:49:26,690 --> 02:49:22,620
when it finally breaks and we can

3198
02:49:30,350 --> 02:49:26,700
finally get some of this you know the

3199
02:49:34,430 --> 02:49:30,360
truth out there and to really see some

3200
02:49:40,670 --> 02:49:34,440
of the magnificent class that had been

3201
02:49:46,060 --> 02:49:40,680
built initially - absolutely that's what

3202
02:49:50,600 --> 02:49:46,070
really continued me off so much you know

3203
02:49:54,261 --> 02:49:50,610
what Steve that's why you Center oh yeah

3204
02:49:55,940 --> 02:49:54,271
you Center me behave and be well we got

3205
02:50:00,370 --> 02:49:55,950
Jason quit on tomorrow night I'll see

3206
02:50:03,770 --> 02:50:00,380
you right here game is always brother

3207
02:50:05,410 --> 02:50:03,780
Steve bunker right there hi your life

3208
02:50:08,570 --> 02:50:05,420
I'm fade to black who's calling

3209
02:50:10,430 --> 02:50:08,580
hi there Jimmy it's mark from Australia

3210
02:50:14,301 --> 02:50:10,440
I know you've got another mark but this

3211
02:50:16,430 --> 02:50:14,311
is a separate mark just talking about

3212
02:50:19,770 --> 02:50:16,440
photographic technique

3213
02:50:22,110 --> 02:50:19,780
I'm sort of prior ufr but just to be

3214
02:50:25,070 --> 02:50:22,120
devil's advocate for a second it's not

3215
02:50:30,240 --> 02:50:25,080
entirely accurate to say that old

3216
02:50:31,970 --> 02:50:30,250
photographs can think you know UFOs and

3217
02:50:34,831 --> 02:50:31,980
and other special effects

3218
02:50:39,421 --> 02:50:34,841
absolutely yeah I realize that there

3219
02:50:41,220 --> 02:50:39,431
could be ways but you're right you're

3220
02:50:43,440 --> 02:50:41,230
right about that but I had to jump in

3221
02:50:46,501 --> 02:50:43,450
and interrupt you rudely okay so go

3222
02:50:48,121 --> 02:50:46,511
ahead Tim I I think what you're getting

3223
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:48,131
at which is accurate totally accurate

3224
02:50:51,360 --> 02:50:49,120
which you're talking about

3225
02:50:54,661 --> 02:50:51,370
post-production if you take an original

3226
02:50:57,211 --> 02:50:54,671
photo and then try to manipulate it it's

3227
02:50:59,011 --> 02:50:57,221
it's really difficult but what these you

3228
02:51:01,591 --> 02:50:59,021
know Hollywood for instance in the 30s

3229
02:51:03,810 --> 02:51:01,601
and the 40s they were doing all forced

3230
02:51:05,671 --> 02:51:03,820
perspectives and glass matte paintings

3231
02:51:07,740 --> 02:51:05,681
and stuff like that holding it in front

3232
02:51:09,900 --> 02:51:07,750
of the lens right and I think what

3233
02:51:11,761 --> 02:51:09,910
wasn't Billy Mize wasn't he famous for

3234
02:51:13,560 --> 02:51:11,771
you know being accused of you know

3235
02:51:15,751 --> 02:51:13,570
tossing things up in the air I mean I

3236
02:51:18,810 --> 02:51:15,761
could I could take something off my desk

3237
02:51:20,850 --> 02:51:18,820
and go outside and toss it up in the air

3238
02:51:22,440 --> 02:51:20,860
and take a photo of it and the original

3239
02:51:24,091 --> 02:51:22,450
negative event would have this strange

3240
02:51:26,190 --> 02:51:24,101
object who knows what it is you would

3241
02:51:28,291 --> 02:51:26,200
know whether it was a 10,000 feet 5,000

3242
02:51:30,121 --> 02:51:28,301
feet right you know there's nothing - if

3243
02:51:32,430 --> 02:51:30,131
there's nothing to play it against and

3244
02:51:34,650 --> 02:51:32,440
and and focus wise and all that sort of

3245
02:51:37,711 --> 02:51:34,660
stuff so I just wanted to throw that in

3246
02:51:39,930 --> 02:51:37,721
that you know way back there would be

3247
02:51:41,820 --> 02:51:39,940
many ways if people wanted to fake

3248
02:51:44,220 --> 02:51:41,830
something and then you really left up in

3249
02:51:45,841 --> 02:51:44,230
the air but what you were saying was was

3250
02:51:48,871 --> 02:51:45,851
accurate you know once you get into the

3251
02:51:52,140 --> 02:51:48,881
post production side of things it's so

3252
02:51:53,940 --> 02:51:52,150
much more tricky - you're gonna screw it

3253
02:51:58,650 --> 02:51:53,950
up before you do something cool

3254
02:52:04,381 --> 02:51:58,660
guaranteed yeah you're right about one

3255
02:52:07,501 --> 02:52:04,391
thing how many thousands of kids around

3256
02:52:11,100 --> 02:52:07,511
the world got their dad's camera pulled

3257
02:52:13,350 --> 02:52:11,110
the hub cap off of the phone Ltd and

3258
02:52:14,970 --> 02:52:13,360
went out in the front yard and we're

3259
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:14,980
throwing that thing like a frisbee right

3260
02:52:19,530 --> 02:52:17,530
and taking pictures of it yeah I get

3261
02:52:21,930 --> 02:52:19,540
them you have a perfect UFO photograph

3262
02:52:24,631 --> 02:52:21,940
at that point yeah you know and look and

3263
02:52:27,360 --> 02:52:24,641
look even even that applies today I mean

3264
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:27,370
even when I had a sort of a UFO sighting

3265
02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:29,770
and stuff and if someone said to me look

3266
02:52:35,309 --> 02:52:31,810
how high was that or how big was that

3267
02:52:37,620 --> 02:52:35,319
you really even I listen to pilots and

3268
02:52:39,899 --> 02:52:37,630
they they're really fantastic trained

3269
02:52:41,729 --> 02:52:39,909
observers and they would struggle to say

3270
02:52:43,590 --> 02:52:41,739
how big if you've got no point of

3271
02:52:46,019 --> 02:52:43,600
reference you know what I mean

3272
02:52:47,729 --> 02:52:46,029
mmm so that apply that applies into

3273
02:52:49,950 --> 02:52:47,739
photography as well if you don't no real

3274
02:52:52,109 --> 02:52:49,960
point of reference and you have to look

3275
02:52:53,490 --> 02:52:52,119
at you know focus and and all that but

3276
02:52:55,380 --> 02:52:53,500
if you're looking at something up in the

3277
02:52:58,200 --> 02:52:55,390
sky you're thinking well is that the

3278
02:53:01,410 --> 02:52:58,210
size of a firefly right in front of my

3279
02:53:04,200 --> 02:53:01,420
face or is that a gigantic mothership 10

3280
02:53:07,319 --> 02:53:04,210
miles away you know it's it is difficult

3281
02:53:09,029 --> 02:53:07,329
so um well I tell you what I want to see

3282
02:53:10,649 --> 02:53:09,039
speaking of photographic evidence so

3283
02:53:14,819 --> 02:53:10,659
what I want to see is the gun camera

3284
02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:14,829
footage from David cravers jet when he

3285
02:53:20,460 --> 02:53:17,289
engaged that take us far we haven't seen

3286
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:20,470
any of that where is where is that

3287
02:53:25,550 --> 02:53:22,810
footage because that would be the one he

3288
02:53:28,139 --> 02:53:25,560
engaged it he circled around it and

3289
02:53:35,160 --> 02:53:28,149
there's that footage hasn't been

3290
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:35,170
released no he's never said if that

3291
02:53:40,349 --> 02:53:37,930
footage exists or not

3292
02:53:42,059 --> 02:53:40,359
you know no but I tell you I'll tell you

3293
02:53:45,660 --> 02:53:42,069
what Jimmy just to add something to that

3294
02:53:48,569 --> 02:53:45,670
if you were to the Stars Academy webpage

3295
02:53:51,540 --> 02:53:48,579
there is an interview with a young pilot

3296
02:53:53,490 --> 02:53:51,550
who was on that particular mission and

3297
02:53:54,990 --> 02:53:53,500
he was in the second plane right and

3298
02:53:57,420 --> 02:53:55,000
there is an extensive there's an

3299
02:54:00,960 --> 02:53:57,430
extensive interview with him and he's

3300
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:00,970
not identified and he says that when

3301
02:54:05,130 --> 02:54:03,010
they got back to the ship to the Nimitz

3302
02:54:06,569 --> 02:54:05,140
there was a lot of ridicule and people

3303
02:54:09,750 --> 02:54:06,579
making fun of them and all that sort of

3304
02:54:12,719 --> 02:54:09,760
stuff and David flavor downloaded he

3305
02:54:16,019 --> 02:54:12,729
said David Rosen made a copy onto CD of

3306
02:54:18,019 --> 02:54:16,029
the footage that we shot and he made it

3307
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:18,029
he made a copy because he didn't want to

3308
02:54:25,019 --> 02:54:22,800
to be you know accused down the line of

3309
02:54:26,189 --> 02:54:25,029
you know something where there was no

3310
02:54:28,319 --> 02:54:26,199
evidence where it suddenly disappeared

3311
02:54:30,359 --> 02:54:28,329
he actually says that it's on there to

3312
02:54:32,580 --> 02:54:30,369
the Stars Academy that raver made a copy

3313
02:54:34,550 --> 02:54:32,590
and then the fact that the German

3314
02:54:38,090 --> 02:54:34,560
production company then made a

3315
02:54:40,790 --> 02:54:38,100
documentary the next year with flavor

3316
02:54:43,979 --> 02:54:40,800
involved in the Middle East and that

3317
02:54:47,519 --> 02:54:43,989
German company is the one where that

3318
02:54:49,019 --> 02:54:47,529
what is that original tax $40 was taken

3319
02:54:51,029 --> 02:54:49,029
from the two other planes a little bit

3320
02:54:53,609 --> 02:54:51,039
later in that mission that appeared

3321
02:54:55,409 --> 02:54:53,619
online it's pretty obvious to me the

3322
02:54:57,829 --> 02:54:55,419
flavor is the one who delete that

3323
02:55:00,989 --> 02:54:57,839
because he made he made the copy of it

3324
02:55:03,389 --> 02:55:00,999
so when people say how does that turn up

3325
02:55:08,460 --> 02:55:03,399
on a german production company website

3326
02:55:10,349 --> 02:55:08,470
right in 2006 or whatever well the pilot

3327
02:55:11,819 --> 02:55:10,359
on the to the Stars Academy interview if

3328
02:55:15,239 --> 02:55:11,829
you go to their page and wreak a case

3329
02:55:18,899 --> 02:55:15,249
report he says flavor makes a copy and

3330
02:55:20,789 --> 02:55:18,909
then flavor is involved with that german

3331
02:55:23,249 --> 02:55:20,799
production company the next year he

3332
02:55:26,279 --> 02:55:23,259
appears on an on a separate documentary

3333
02:55:27,059 --> 02:55:26,289
that they make about you know battles in

3334
02:55:29,819 --> 02:55:27,069
the Middle East

3335
02:55:31,499 --> 02:55:29,829
kids on it and he's in so I mean you

3336
02:55:33,659 --> 02:55:31,509
know you have to join the dots a little

3337
02:55:35,639 --> 02:55:33,669
bit but you know that trailer is

3338
02:55:39,420 --> 02:55:35,649
directly involved with that company and

3339
02:55:41,069 --> 02:55:39,430
he made a copy so um you know that's

3340
02:55:43,409 --> 02:55:41,079
where I've seen but I think that that I

3341
02:55:45,539 --> 02:55:43,419
want to see them the earlier footage

3342
02:55:47,630 --> 02:55:45,549
that he talks you know because that

3343
02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:47,640
footage that pops up on the website that

3344
02:55:52,319 --> 02:55:49,930
original tic-tac scene that we see

3345
02:55:54,239 --> 02:55:52,329
that's not some favors that's not favor

3346
02:55:56,369 --> 02:55:54,249
that's the two people who were sent up

3347
02:55:58,920 --> 02:55:56,379
after him that's right as he was running

3348
02:56:00,569 --> 02:55:58,930
out of he was running out of fuel and so

3349
02:56:02,909 --> 02:56:00,579
that's brief but I think look I think

3350
02:56:05,130 --> 02:56:02,919
they're all just holding back although I

3351
02:56:07,519 --> 02:56:05,140
think it's a drip food look I listen to

3352
02:56:09,420 --> 02:56:07,529
your interviews last week Danny Shane

3353
02:56:12,929 --> 02:56:09,430
fantastic like that was just such a

3354
02:56:14,099 --> 02:56:12,939
fantastic two hours must listen yeah I

3355
02:56:15,239 --> 02:56:14,109
don't agree with everything but I

3356
02:56:17,519 --> 02:56:15,249
thought that was fantastic

3357
02:56:20,789 --> 02:56:17,529
John Greenwald was another fantastic

3358
02:56:23,249 --> 02:56:20,799
interview but I would just say that the

3359
02:56:24,869 --> 02:56:23,259
the overriding theme that came out of

3360
02:56:26,969 --> 02:56:24,879
John Green was interview with you and

3361
02:56:29,670 --> 02:56:26,979
him was confusion you're both saying

3362
02:56:32,010 --> 02:56:29,680
it's very confusion confusing about the

3363
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:32,020
paper trail doesn't seem to add up and

3364
02:56:36,510 --> 02:56:33,930
how does to the stars and you know

3365
02:56:39,389 --> 02:56:36,520
Elizondo and all that sort of stuff to

3366
02:56:42,840 --> 02:56:39,399
me it makes perfect sense that there's

3367
02:56:46,649 --> 02:56:42,850
confusion because to me to the stars is

3368
02:56:50,639 --> 02:56:46,659
a propaganda arm and the propaganda arm

3369
02:56:52,829 --> 02:56:50,649
of a faction within the government that

3370
02:56:54,749 --> 02:56:52,839
wants to get this out and all you have

3371
02:56:56,130 --> 02:56:54,759
to do is go and listen to it along way

3372
02:56:57,841 --> 02:56:56,140
back when he was interviewed on george

3373
02:57:00,030 --> 02:56:57,851
knapp when using you be gone zero

3374
02:57:01,950 --> 02:57:00,040
he says I'm approached by people within

3375
02:57:03,690 --> 02:57:01,960
the government who are all pro this and

3376
02:57:05,220 --> 02:57:03,700
we want to set up a propaganda thing and

3377
02:57:08,341 --> 02:57:05,230
I'm gonna do movies and things to

3378
02:57:10,080 --> 02:57:08,351
educate the people and so what happens

3379
02:57:13,671 --> 02:57:10,090
in that situation is you have a Crow's

3380
02:57:17,430 --> 02:57:13,681
faction and they set up a separate arm

3381
02:57:20,270 --> 02:57:17,440
to do this now one of the two key things

3382
02:57:22,410 --> 02:57:20,280
you have to do if you want to set up a a

3383
02:57:24,990 --> 02:57:22,420
propaganda arm or something that's can

3384
02:57:27,091 --> 02:57:25,000
interconnect it is you have to a be

3385
02:57:29,251 --> 02:57:27,101
credible so you have to put credible

3386
02:57:30,870 --> 02:57:29,261
people into it which they have done but

3387
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:30,880
the second thing you have to do is have

3388
02:57:35,970 --> 02:57:34,240
distance like they're not part of us we

3389
02:57:38,820 --> 02:57:35,980
don't know where confused are they're

3390
02:57:40,680 --> 02:57:38,830
calling themselves this way you have to

3391
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:40,690
have distance I mean you've seen enough

3392
02:57:45,900 --> 02:57:43,210
spy movies to know where there's a spy

3393
02:57:49,051 --> 02:57:45,910
out in the middle of Siberia and the

3394
02:57:51,480 --> 02:57:49,061
main organization says to that spy there

3395
02:57:54,961 --> 02:57:51,490
it in turns to crack you're on your own

3396
02:57:56,820 --> 02:57:54,971
we don't know you what am i and I think

3397
02:57:59,730 --> 02:57:56,830
that's what to the Stars is they are

3398
02:58:01,921 --> 02:57:59,740
their propaganda arm and if john

3399
02:58:04,530 --> 02:58:01,931
greenwald is trying to join the dots and

3400
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:04,540
connect them and say what doesn't make

3401
02:58:10,530 --> 02:58:07,210
sense i think that's all part of the

3402
02:58:13,740 --> 02:58:10,540
deal the official government agency or

3403
02:58:16,530 --> 02:58:13,750
the pro factor the pro faction they have

3404
02:58:19,711 --> 02:58:16,540
to keep them separate while feeding them

3405
02:58:21,870 --> 02:58:19,721
the propaganda in drip-feed to let them

3406
02:58:24,180 --> 02:58:21,880
release it and what i think has happened

3407
02:58:26,730 --> 02:58:24,190
since the December 16 release in the New

3408
02:58:29,220 --> 02:58:26,740
York Times is that there will be an anti

3409
02:58:31,381 --> 02:58:29,230
faction within the government and that

3410
02:58:34,350 --> 02:58:31,391
anti faction would have kicked back very

3411
02:58:36,301 --> 02:58:34,360
strongly and that's why there's been a

3412
02:58:37,740 --> 02:58:36,311
stall because I think the ante are now

3413
02:58:39,990 --> 02:58:37,750
fighting you know the Empire Strikes

3414
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:40,000
Back but one other thing for your

3415
02:58:44,910 --> 02:58:43,120
listeners you're also wondering mark

3416
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:44,920
moment to go to a break or something no

3417
02:58:52,350 --> 02:58:46,570
I got I got in the show

3418
02:58:55,190 --> 02:58:52,360
45 seconds Auto but ten-second Leslie

3419
02:58:58,890 --> 02:58:55,200
captain Leslie came in a podcast with

3420
02:59:01,261 --> 02:58:58,900
Alejandro Rojas January 16 said she's

3421
02:59:03,421 --> 02:59:01,271
working on the materials article and

3422
02:59:05,791 --> 02:59:03,431
Ralph Blumenthal is working on the

3423
02:59:08,190 --> 02:59:05,801
experiences article there you go I left

3424
02:59:11,280 --> 02:59:08,200
over do it and when it comes out call us

3425
02:59:11,770 --> 02:59:11,290
back we'll talk more thanks Jimmy

3426
02:59:14,140 --> 02:59:11,780
thank you

3427
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:14,150
mark gres phone call mark from Australia

3428
02:59:19,930 --> 02:59:17,210
that's not mark Toronto apparently I

3429
02:59:22,030 --> 02:59:19,940
forgot to ask what city he was in but

3430
02:59:23,501 --> 02:59:22,040
we'll get that on another show maybe

3431
02:59:25,540 --> 02:59:23,511
Thursday night we'll have more call back

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in state to black I got to get out of

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here paid to Black's executive producers

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Palmer an a denizen Bob announces our

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compeiied the black is produced by

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kjsurya here

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has own a copyright of 2018 fade to

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black in the game change of network

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cannot be rebroadcast download a copy to

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use anywhere in the known universe

3446
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without written permission from fade to

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meals to meet church be safe go back

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[Applause]